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Dream Team 4: Golden State Warriors

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lol so juicy and stupid. I love it.

The beauty in this clip is how Steph 'The Alpha Male' Curry just stood there looking and not saying a word. Yes Steph, stay silent and do nothing while Daddy and Mommy duke it out.
 
The beauty in this clip is how Steph 'The Alpha Male' Curry just stood there looking and not saying a word. Yes Steph, stay silent and do nothing while Daddy and Mommy duke it out.

Nobody can tell me that this is part of healthy! "growing pains" for a Champion...

Look at Curry throwing him the ball.. part "fuck you" and Part little child that goes pouting..
Draymond screaming at KD who ignores him....
Steph just looking out of it..
Oh and nobody listened to Kerr in that Timeout^^..

Honestly if such open Dysfunction and borderline toxic stuff had happened to us at any point the whole Media and NBA landscape would talk of nothing else for months..
They would say: Lebron is not a leader,Lue is not a Coach, That we need to blow it up..

but with GSW its just growing pains..

The 2011 Heat where arrogant but after they lost to the Mavs they actually where humbled, learned their lessons and 2012-14 where a classy great Team.
They learned from beeing arrogant...

GSW so far has not learned a damn thing... They still are shocked when things dont go their way... they pout,moan and bitch rather than toughen up and gut it out...

On Paper their Team is maybe the most talented... but i will take our Team full of heart,fight and true unselfishness over their front running stuff any day of the week..
 
Did they have a 99.99% chance of winning?

One issue I have is that such metrics are used as forecasts when in fact, they are not. In other words, one can make a predictive assessment based on past data to approximate the likelihood of some past event that doesn't actually speak to the probability of some specific future event happening; i.e., the difference between forecasting and prediction.

In other words, while it is reasonable to assume that teams in a general sense blowing a 19 point lead in the 4th quarter happens 1-in-10,000 times based on past events; it is not reasonable to assume that the Warriors 19-pt lead had a 99.99% chance of holding up against the Grizzlies last night.

There's a lot more there to be considered other than how often teams come back from 19-pt deficits in what would usually amount to extended garbage time. This game was nothing like that and was competitive throughout the 4th quarter.

The metric that was used was likely not a forecast model to take such things into account; so that's one of the reasons it was and is rightly ridiculed.

It's a perfect example of the widespread misuse of statistics.

p.s.
The Warriors were up 14-pts against the Cavs in the 4th quarter; they lost.
The Warriors were up 19-pts against the Grizzlies in the 4th quarter; they lost.
The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the Finals last year.
They've melted down in numerous 4th quarters this year.

They aren't just monumentally unlucky; the general statistic regarding historic trends is simply being used incorrectly. It is predictive of past events, it is not forecasting the probability of specific future events between two specific teams.

tl;dr: The Warriors did not have a 99.99% chance of beating the Grizzlies when the 4th quarter started last night.

You forgot to mention that KD also blew a 3-1 lead. This too, adds to the bad juju of chokability.
 
Add to all the choke-gate, lacob's statement about how the Warriors are light years ahead of everyone.

This whole franchise just a whole bad karma thing going on.

And I love every second of it. No matter how out of the ordinary their losses are, it only happens to them lol
 
I don't follow the Warriors this seaso, I AM DEEPLY SORRY. Do they even have any teamplay left? Or is it all ISO-[Insert name here]?
 
Nobody can tell me that this is part of healthy! "growing pains" for a Champion...

Look at Curry throwing him the ball.. part "fuck you" and Part little child that goes pouting..

Draymond screaming at KD who ignores him....
Steph just looking out of it..
Oh and nobody listened to Kerr in that Timeout^^..

Honestly if such open Dysfunction and borderline toxic stuff had happened to us at any point the whole Media and NBA landscape would talk of nothing else for months..
They would say: Lebron is not a leader,Lue is not a Coach, That we need to blow it up..

but with GSW its just growing pains..

The 2011 Heat where arrogant but after they lost to the Mavs they actually where humbled, learned their lessons and 2012-14 where a classy great Team.
They learned from beeing arrogant...

GSW so far has not learned a damn thing... They still are shocked when things dont go their way... they pout,moan and bitch rather than toughen up and gut it out...

On Paper their Team is maybe the most talented... but i will take our Team full of heart,fight and true unselfishness over their front running stuff any day of the week..

Are we forgetting when LeBron basically boycotted multiple games early in his first year back because Kyrie wasn't being a point guard? Or how LeBron said screw it and started running the offense until he could figure it out?

I'm not saying what happened to Golden State was good or necessary, but it amazes me that we, as Cavs fans, are willing to forget our own recent history.
 
I don't follow the Warriors this seaso, I AM DEEPLY SORRY. Do they even have any teamplay left? Or is it all ISO-[Insert name here]?

They're actually playing really well this early in the season for having to implement a unique offensive player like Durant, but the Golden State flow offense is only apparent in fits and spurts.

As predicted by many, the ball tends to stick sometimes and it's not just Durant either. Either Curry or Thompson sometimes go whole quarters without getting a quality look, which seems impossible. It probably doesnt help that the top 6-7 guys are playing too many minutes because their bench is ass and garbage. That'll catch up with them.

But all of that was expected, the part I like seeing is the temper tantrums and the bad body language. It's a sign that these issues are having a bigger effect than they should. Last night's game felt like more than 1 of 82 when really that's all it was.

Good, keep up the in fighting. Here's hoping it murders the magical chemistry they had last year once and for all.
 
Man, I'm still over here chuckling about the way Stephanie passed that ball to Durant.:chuckle:
 
Are we forgetting when LeBron basically boycotted multiple games early in his first year back because Kyrie wasn't being a point guard? Or how LeBron said screw it and started running the offense until he could figure it out?

I'm not saying what happened to Golden State was good or necessary, but it amazes me that we, as Cavs fans, are willing to forget our own recent history.

I am well aware of that... There was nothing close to this level of Pouting, screaming etc..

Also its not like their whole Team and Coach is new like ours basically was.. They are the same Team with the same Coach with the Exeption of KD and some minor players.

And you know what? It worked what Lebron did.. He tremendously helped mentoring Kyrie into what he is today. You can question the methods but not the results.
Also can you blame Lebron? Blatt had no clue what he wanted to run.. he started with Princeton only to throw it out of the Window early.. and after that we had no real direction.. was it Part Lebron not liking Blatt? yeah maybe... but lets not forget that once Lebron took the offense over we won...
again the same as with Lebron beeing hard on Kyrie... you have every right to question the method... not the results..

Also please remember context... Lebron(and other Cavs...) ignored Blatt.. a to them "unproven" coach (they simply didnt care for what he did in Europe/Israel).. GSW is starting to ignore their Title Coach... two time Coach of the year..

Look i know we too had our rough parts.. plenty of them... But whats happening in GSW has a totally different feel to it.. They are the Superteam.. they expected to win EVERY Game( no shit many casual fans actually!!!! expeted GSW to go 80-2 or something like that...) And they dont have that leader we have in Lebron.

Curry is not it... KD...nope... Klay...nope... Draymond... oh boy... Kerr... well...

Their problem with adversity and things not going their way has been exposed last Playoffs... and i dont think KD helps with that...

afterall i think KD is too likeminded.. he is also not the tough warrior(what a paradox...)that embraces the tough times...
 
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I am well aware of that... There was nothing close to this level of Pouting, screaming etc..

Also its not like their whole Team and Coach is new like ours basically was.. They are the same Team with the same Coach with the Exeption of KD and some minor players.

And you know what? It worked what Lebron did.. He tremendously helped mentoring Kyrie into what he is today. You can question the methods but not the results.
Also can you blame Lebron? Blatt had no clue what he wanted to run.. he started with Princeton only to throw it out of the Window early.. and after that we had no real direction.. was it Part Lebron not liking Blatt? yeah maybe... but lets not forget that once Lebron took the offense over we won...
again the same as with Lebron beeing hard on Kyrie... you have every right to question the method... not the results..

Also please remember context... Lebron(and other Cavs...) ignored Blatt.. a to them "unproven" coach (they simply didnt care for what he did in Europe/Israel).. GSW is starting to ignore their Title Coach... two time Coach of the year..

Look i know we too had our rough parts.. plenty of them... But whats happening in GSW has a totally different feel to it.. They are the Superteam.. they expected to win EVERY Game( no shit many casual fans actually!!!! expeted GSW to go 80-2 or something like that...) And they dont have that leader we have in Lebron.

Curry is not it... KD...nope... Klay...nope... Draymond... oh boy... Kerr... well...

Their problem with adversity and things not going their way has been exposed last Playoffs... and i dont think KD helps with that...

afterall i think KD is too likeminded.. he is also not the tough warrior(what a paradox...)that embraces the tough times...

You touched on something really important. Golden State was a team that had not only been together for a few years, but more importantly, had more success than almost any other team in NBA history.

Now they're trying to fit a top 3 player into a system that was almost perfect the way it was with the pieces it had. With the burden of their past success hanging over this season. That's extremely difficult no matter now much talent a team has.

Oddly enough, the Cavs' lack of familiarity with one another that first year may have actually helped, allowing them to start from scratch and build it organically.

The Warriors will probably be fine (65+ wins and the 1 seed in the West), as much as I'd enjoy a different fate for them. But that doesnt mean it has to be easy, and I think figuring out who has the ball late in crunch time (Curry or Durant) will be an ongoing issue for them.
 
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damn SON thats deep :chuckle:
 
lol. Steve Kerr making fun of Cavs' "The Diff" on their scoreboard?

Those guys can't keep Cleveland out of their mouths.
 
lol. Steve Kerr making fun of Cavs' "The Diff" on their scoreboard?

Those guys can't keep Cleveland out of their mouths.
Not just the name, if you know what im talking about ;-)
 
Yes, it is under the new CBA. There is not 100% clarity on it but it seems that two players per team can sign under the DPE - designated player exception and Klay and Green will likely qualify for this if they don't already.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-bargaining-agreement/?utm_term=.76e717acd140

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5ikqx9/marks_under_new_cba_klay_thompson_and_draymond/

As far as Steph goes I believe he can get 35% of the cap, which is over $35M, and Klay and Draymond could get 30% with this new rule I believe.

If all three take as much money as they would technically be allowed under the new CBA I believe they'd be at about $97M combined. This does not count Durant, and I believe his option is for $27M next year. So combined they would be around $135M if they all take the max they are allowed; more if Durant wants more than $27M. This is with 4 players on the roster...

Unfortunately Love and Irving can probably do the same if they make All-NBA. I guess at least the Cavs would only have 3 of these max players instead of 4, but still a ton of money when you account for TT and JR having pretty big contracts as well.

You are completely misunderstanding the foundation of the rule. Its not that a DPE eligible player can rip up his deal, its that a team can offer the 5 year deal a year before a player becomes a FA. So whereas a player could not get a 5 yr deal until he was a FA last year, a team can deal with their own player a YEAR before any other team PLUS offer more money. So in effect, you can offer your guys a 5 year extension. Dray/Klay/KLove/Ky wouldn't be eligible to sign this until they had only 1 year left in their respective deals.
 
Are we forgetting when LeBron basically boycotted multiple games early in his first year back because Kyrie wasn't being a point guard? Or how LeBron said screw it and started running the offense until he could figure it out?

I'm not saying what happened to Golden State was good or necessary, but it amazes me that we, as Cavs fans, are willing to forget our own recent history.
Exacto. I'm kind of worried this happened this early, they have time to get it fixed. I was hoping it would take until the playoffs to blow up.

I think the big difference here is our alpha male has a 3 title, 5 straight Finals pedigree of getting his teammates on board while their alpha males are great at imploding and blowing 3 game leads.
 

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