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2017 Browns Mock Draft Thread

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Those numbers are grossly inflated from the Rutgers game. Arguably the worst team in FBS.

Here's his rushing game log:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/player/418/1063867/rushing/gamelog.html

Now tell me again how effective it was? They straight up wasted plays with him on offense against good teams. Even Michigan fans don't argue this. Pepcat, as they call it, was an utter failure.

I think one of the things you need to ignore about Peppers, specifically on offense, is how poorly he was deployed....which I think is what you are eluding to. That's not an issue with the player, that is an issue with the coaches.

I like him a lot as a potential slash player on offense and by that I mean a guy you move around, ala a Tyreke Hill or Joe Montgomery. Plays slot receiver, RB, maybe some WC if he learns to be a better read player. I think he has that kind of ceiling on offense. An elite utility guy.

Where Michigan failed greatly, IMO, was they almost half assed his involvement in the offense. They obviously knew he could be an asset but the only prep time they invested was having him run the WC, which I think was a huge tactical mistake. I get that is low investment, from a time perspective, I just think it was a miscalculation.

If you watch him return punts, he obviously has great vision and an ability to make guys miss.....and his top end speed is elite. He's also a powerful runner for his size but could use a little more weight (if he can carry it well). The biggest question is wether or not he wants to be a RB.....I know there was external discussion at UM that part of the reason he wasn't a RB was because Peppers wasn't as open to a more permanent switch.

He's a tricky player to project on defense, because I think he's a tweener that needs to grow in to a position. What that position is, is up for debate. On offense, I think he's easier to project as an interchangeable offensive weapon who mainly plays RB.

I don't like him where he's projected but I do like him if he's a guy who slides. If Peppers drops to the bottom 3rd of the 1st round, his ceiling is pretty appealing as an offensive player.

With that said, the biggest problem with that approach is this is an insanely deep RB class, so that's certainly a risk. You can kind of see why teams are caught in-between with someone like Peppers. If you're taking him in the top 20 picks, he almost has to be selected as an in the box safety. Some team probably likes him enough as an athlete to let him grow in the that safety spot, I just think he has a higher ceiling on offense. Guess we'll see.
 
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I think one of the things you need to ignore about Peppers, specifically on offense, is how poorly he was deployed....which I think is what you are eluding to. That's not an issue with the player, that is an issue with the coaches.

I like him a lot as a potential slash player on offense and by that I mean a guy you move around, ala a Tyreke Hill or Joe Montgomery. Plays slot receiver, RB, maybe some WC if he learns to be a better read player. I think he has that kind of ceiling on offense. An elite utility guy.

Where Michigan failed greatly, IMO, was they almost half assed his involvement in the offense. They obviously knew he could be an asset but the only prep time they invested was having him run the WC, which I think was a huge tactical mistake. I get that is low investment, from a time perspective, I just think it was a miscalculation.

If you watch him return punts, he obviously has great vision and an ability to make guys miss.....and his top end speed is elite. He's also a powerful runner for his size but could use a little more weight (if he can carry it well). The biggest question is wether or not he wants to be a RB.....I know there was external discussion at UM that part of the reason he wasn't a RB was because Peppers wasn't as open to a more permanent switch.

He's a tricky player to project on defense, because I think he's a tweener that needs to grow in to a position. What that position is, is up for debate. On offense, I think he's easier to project as an interchangeable offensive weapon who mainly plays RB.

I don't like him where he's projected but I do like him if he's a guy who slides. If Peppers drops to the bottom 3rd of the 1st round, his ceiling is pretty appealing as an offensive player.

With that said, the biggest problem with that approach is this is an insanely deep RB class, so that's certainly a risk. You can kind of see why teams are caught in-between with someone like Peppers. If you're taking him in the top 20 picks, he almost has to be selected as an in the box safety. Some team probably likes him enough as an athlete to let him grow in the that safety spot, I just think he has a higher ceiling on offense. Guess we'll see.

That position, the in-the-box safety, seems to be more and more valuable... I don't watch many Michigan games so I don't have anything to say besides that it isn't his fault he is so hyped, but jeez was the guy hyped all of the time.
 
never, ever should we ever trade to move up to 2.

ONLY way I would be happy/okay with doing that is if there was a surefire, without a doubt, royal w/cheese franchise QB. And since there isn't one. We sit, do not make outrageous trades, and draft well.

This draft is just too deep with defensive talent that we need to keep our 2nd-4th + future picks.

But you are right, coming out with a Garrett + Allen combo is almost as good as a Dottie & Kit combo.

I would never trade to #2 two in this draft. However, I might think about trading up to #5 or #6 if Allen so happens to be there. According to the draft value chart, 12, 51, and a 4th would put us at equal value for #5. I'd think about it at least.
 
I would never trade to #2 two in this draft. However, I might think about trading up to #5 or #6 if Allen so happens to be there. According to the draft value chart, 12, 51, and a 4th would put us at equal value for #5. I'd think about it at least.
If Allen is there at 6 I'll eat a scorpion
 
If Allen is there at 6 I'll eat a scorpion

I don't expect him to be either.

Let me ask you this, would you make a similar trade to #5 or #6 for Hooker or Adams? You're likely giving up #12, a 2nd (preferably#51) and a later round pick.

If that's all it took to secure two elite players from this draft, I'd do that in a second and not think twice. Use #33 on the best OL or CB available.
 
B/R post CFP:

1. Garrett
12. Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida

(Watson was not selected anywhere in the 1st, by this guy. Kizer to Bears, Trubisky to Jets)

With the absence of a can't-miss quarterback, Garrett has emerged as the favorite to go No. 1 overall to the Cleveland Browns. On Dec. 11, ESPN.com's Adam Schefter spoke to a source who said the Browns have an "astronomical grade" on the Texas A&M defensive end.

That could be subterfuge by Cleveland to drive outside interest in trading for the first overall pick, but the Browns own the No. 12 selection as well, so there's little sense in moving out of the top spot.

In October, Bleacher Report's Matt Miller spoke to an SEC scout who raved about Garrett's abilities: "You have to realize he's up to 275 pounds now. To be able to dip, bend and accelerate the way he does at that weight? It's rare. He's a generational talent."

The same scout also described Garrett as "a healthy, hardworking Jadeveon Clowney."

Adding Garrett to a defensive line that already includes Danny Shelton and Emmanuel Ogbah would be a scary sight for opposing teams in the AFC North.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dictions-top-prospects-after-cfp-championship
 
Adding Garrett to a defensive line that already includes Danny Shelton and Emmanuel Ogbah would be a scary sight for opposing teams in the AFC North.

For all our complaining about blowing the draft, both Ogbah and Shelton really look like hits. And Kirksey is a stud as well. Add that to Collins (who I hope we retain), and some other decent guys on the DL (like Meder), plus Garrett, and that become a very dangerous front 7.

And I'd be tempted to grab Reuben Foster at 12.
 
For all our complaining about blowing the draft, both Ogbah and Shelton really look like hits. And Kirksey is a stud as well. Add that to Collins (who I hope we retain), and some other decent guys on the DL (like Meder), plus Garrett, and that become a very dangerous front 7.

And I'd be tempted to grab Reuben Foster at 12.

Guys I'd like at 12:
Hooker
Adams
Foster
Mike Williams

Unfortunately, there's a decent chance all of those guys are possibly gone. I like Williams either way, but especially if the Browns can't retain Pryor. Maybe add Coleman or Thomas to that list.

I think if all those guys are gone we probably entertain trading back a couple spots and then taking the best DB available.
 
WalterFootball currently has Mahomes at #10 to the Bills ahead off Watson, post championship:

"Many have the national champion quarterback here, and he could certainly be the pick. However, Deshaun Watson has graded poorly, and most of the teams we've spoken to see Pat Mahomes as the superior prospect. Mahomes has drawn comparisons to Derek Carr, and a couple of teams we've spoken to have him as a second-round prospect. But given that Mahomes is a quarterback, he's likely to be chosen earlier than most anticipate. The NFL Draft Advisory Committee apparently agrees, as they gave Mahomes a Round 1-2 grade. Thus, it only seems logical to slot Mahomes into the first frame, and this is a very logical spot for him, given how desperate Buffalo is at quarterback. "

Here's what he says about Watson when he goes at #23:

"I should note that no team we've spoken to has him as a first-round prospect. One high-ranking personnel man in the NFC told me he has Watson as a third-round prospect. It's so much like the Teddy Bridgewater draft, when the media had Bridgewater in the first round, and yet NFL franchises considered him to be a second-day prospect, even before his woeful pro day. However, this was prior to the national championship, so I have to believe some team will trade up into the back end of the opening frame to take Watson, much like the Vikings did with Bridgewater. In this case, New York is simply taking Watson with its own pick, and I think it's a very logical selection. "

 
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Walter Football is complete fucking trash. Him and Charlie Campbell, who also writes for the site, are horrendous writers and analysts.
 
Walter Football is complete fucking trash. Him and Charlie Campbell, who also writes for the site, are horrendous writers and analysts.
Oh, I completely agree, but if his claims of actually having information on how teams are grading these guys are true, then it's worth noting.
 
CBS:

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1. Cleveland Browns

Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M: In his previous tours as defensive coordinator and as head coach of the Buffalo Bills from 2001-03, Williams preached an aggressive and varied pass rush. Though an ankle injury limited him in 2016, the 6-foot-5, 262-pound Garrett is widely regarded as the top prospect in the draft. He is much more agile than Emmanuel Ogbah (who led the Browns with 5.5 sacks in 2016) or Carl Nassib, early picks by Cleveland last year, offering a prototypical combination of length, burst and bend off the edge.

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12. Cleveland Browns (from Philadelphia)

Teez Tabor, CB, Florida: With the need for an edge rusher filled with Garrett at No. 1 overall, the Browns could opt to take advantage of this year's strong cornerback class to address a leaky secondary. Tabor plays with the aggressive mentality that Williams has preferred in the past and he is a playmaker, returning three of his eight career interceptions for touchdowns. Perhaps best of all, the addition of the fiery Tabor could reignite the career of former Gators star Joe Haden on the other side.


Matt Miller:

1. Garrett
12. Watson
33. Sidney Jones, CB, Wash.
50. McMillan, LB, OSU



I am going to start not posting as much as a lot of them are becoming similar/similar names. Basically Garrett, then either Kizer/Watson or the best CB.

I will continue to post 2+ round mocks that I come across whenever I feel like it.
 
CBS:

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1. Cleveland Browns

Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M: In his previous tours as defensive coordinator and as head coach of the Buffalo Bills from 2001-03, Williams preached an aggressive and varied pass rush. Though an ankle injury limited him in 2016, the 6-foot-5, 262-pound Garrett is widely regarded as the top prospect in the draft. He is much more agile than Emmanuel Ogbah (who led the Browns with 5.5 sacks in 2016) or Carl Nassib, early picks by Cleveland last year, offering a prototypical combination of length, burst and bend off the edge.

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12. Cleveland Browns (from Philadelphia)

Teez Tabor, CB, Florida: With the need for an edge rusher filled with Garrett at No. 1 overall, the Browns could opt to take advantage of this year's strong cornerback class to address a leaky secondary. Tabor plays with the aggressive mentality that Williams has preferred in the past and he is a playmaker, returning three of his eight career interceptions for touchdowns. Perhaps best of all, the addition of the fiery Tabor could reignite the career of former Gators star Joe Haden on the other side.


Matt Miller:

1. Garrett
12. Watson
33. Sidney Jones, CB, Wash.
50. McMillan, LB, OSU



I am going to start not posting as much as a lot of them are becoming similar/similar names. Basically Garrett, then either Kizer/Watson or the best CB.

I will continue to post 2+ round mocks that I come across whenever I feel like it.

Don't know a lot about Sidney Jones, but I'd love those 4 picks that Matt Miller is giving us. Garrett and Watson at 1 and 12, especially. I think we're in a great spot at 12. Either QB's (Watson, Trubisky) will drop to us or they'll go somewhere 2-11 range and open up the likelihood of one or two of Hooker, Adams, Thomas, Foster, etc being there.
 

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