2017 Browns Off Season Thread

[AZ_]

Bears or Browns?

Okay, if the Bears give up a Top 3 pick. They can have him.

Other than that, take 33 or leave it.

JG isn't commanding the 12th pick, that doesn't present enough value.

 

[sportscoach]

I would even hesitate giving number 33, but Grappolo would be better than the QBs in the draft, but we would have to figure a way to long term him in the deal as well. I may not make it unless he signs a reasonable extension.

 

[Coyote850]

I'd be annoyed with giving up the 12 for Jimmy, but if they're sold on him, then I guess I could get on board.

12 for Jimmy and 32
or
33 for Jimmy would be much better.

This. Jimmy is not worth the 12th pick at this point, too much unknown. We get him and pick 32, yea I'd do that rigjt now. Of course Jimmy has to sign a 4-5 year extrnsion.

 

[Los216]

Bears or Browns?

Okay, if the Bears give up a Top 3 pick. They can have him.

Other than that, take 33 or leave it.

JG isn't commanding the 12th pick, that doesn't present enough value.

If it's for #33 than NE needs to throw in a future pick. I'm sorry but I'm not giving you the first pick on day two and signing this dude long term without future compensation. They need to throw a future 3rd or 4th our way.

 

[Triplethreat]

If it's for #33 than NE needs to throw in a future pick. I'm sorry but I'm not giving you the first pick on day two and signing this dude long term without future compensation. They need to throw a future 3rd or 4th our way.

Ludicrous.

33 plus some conditional picks would be ideal. However if the Patriots said they weren't going to do anything unless 12 was coming their way I'd say hell with it and send it off. I honestly believe he's that good. Just my 2 cents though, he surely is very unknown.

If he was in the draft as the product he is right now, I would have no problem using the 12th pick to take him. In fact, I think we'd be talking about him at #1.

 

[Ohio]

Jimmy
Watson
Mahommes
Trubisky
Kizer

This

 

[Los216]

Ludicrous.

33 plus some conditional picks would be ideal. However if the Patriots said they weren't going to do anything unless 12 was coming their way I'd say hell with it and send it off. I honestly believe he's that good. Just my 2 cents though, he surely is very unknown.

If he was in the draft as the product he is right now, I would have no problem using the 12th pick to take him. In fact, I think we'd be talking about him at #1.

This is insane. If NE is asking for #12 it's because they know that no one else is willing to offer as much. If that's the case then why the hell would we make that trade? It doesn't matter how good you think he is or will be. You do not bid against yourself, especially when there are other option out there. It's not JG or die. He isn't the only option and he far from a sure thing.

 

[Phills14]

This is insane. If NE is asking for #12 it's because they know that no one else is willing to offer as much. If that's the case then why the hell would we make that trade? It doesn't matter how good you think he is or will be. You do not bid against yourself, especially when there are other option out there. It's not JG or die. He isn't the only option and he far from a sure thing.

NE doesn't have to deal him. They can see him as Tom Brady's replacement and his value is set at #12 to them. Offering #33 may not be enough value in their minds. So you can say we are bidding against ourselves but if NE won't take anything less than #12 then the fact you have #33 is irrelevant.

 

[Phills14]

In terms of who will have the best career...

Garoppolo
Trubisky
Tyrod Taylor
Kizer
Watson
Davis
Mahommes
Kaaya

 

[Los216]

NE doesn't have to deal him. They can see him as Tom Brady's replacement and his value is set at #12 to them. Offering #33 may not be enough value in their minds. So you can say we are bidding against ourselves but if NE won't take anything less than #12 then the fact you have #33 is irrelevant.

The only reason they set his value at #12 is because we have picks 1,12,33,52. If we only had our own picks they would value him at 33. So with that being said JG was the 62nd pick three years ago. He hasn't done anything to raise his value from that so offering anything above the first pick on day two is absolutely bidding against ourselves. Not to mention the huge contract that you almost have to give him for giving up a high draft pick.

 

[Triplethreat]

This is insane. If NE is asking for #12 it's because they know that no one else is willing to offer as much. If that's the case then why the hell would we make that trade? It doesn't matter how good you think he is or will be. You do not bid against yourself, especially when there are other option out there. It's not JG or die. He isn't the only option and he far from a sure thing.

This line is absolutely atrocious. If you think a guy can be a top 5-8 QB and let's say the team trading him does as well. Why in the hell would they settle for only a second round pick? and why in the hell would you only be willing to offer a second round pick. (In your case a second rounder and receiving more assets back for it. SMH)

If you see any QB as a franchise changing guy, you give up whatever it takes to get him. To me, Jimmy is a top 8 QB so 12 isn't all that much of a reach for me personally.

 

[Phills14]

The only reason they set his value at #12 is because we have picks 1,12,33,52. If we only had our own picks they would value him at 33. So with that being said JG was the 62nd pick three years ago. He hasn't done anything to raise his value from that so offering anything above the first pick on day two is absolutely bidding against ourselves. Not to mention the huge contract that you almost have to give him for giving up a high draft pick.

I don't agree with that at all. Where he was drafted has very little to do with his value today. It's a starting point but not a determining factor or ending point.

Garoppolo has good size, arm strength, accuracy and the mental make up to be successful. He's also been taught under high quality coaches and performed well in live action, albeit limited regular season games. QB is the most important position in all of sports so a guy with all those qualities are certainly higher than his draft value from a few years ago.

It's entirely reasonable to assume the Patriots would compare Garoppolo to the list of available players in this draft and determine where that line is. Is he the 12th best player in this draft? Is he the 33rd best player in the draft? Then their job is to find a trading partner, should they desire, and get as close to that value as they can if not exceed it.

 

[Soda]

NE doesn't have to deal him. They can see him as Tom Brady's replacement and his value is set at #12 to them. Offering #33 may not be enough value in their minds. So you can say we are bidding against ourselves but if NE won't take anything less than #12 then the fact you have #33 is irrelevant.

If that's their stance, I'll let them get to the end of the season and decide whether they want to give him about 20 million per year, tag him for even more, let him walk for a comp 3rd round pick, or trade him for less than they can get for him now; it's not like they won't lose a thing by not making the trade. Tbh, I don't give a crap what New England demands. If they pay him, we'll hear about how Jacoby Brissett is the next guy who is "can't miss".

 

[Phills14]

For the record, I have no problem giving up the #1 overall pick for a player I think is an elite talent at QB and will be the FQB for years to come. I'm not sold JG is that guy but if I was, I'd make that trade.

 

[bob2the2nd]

NE doesn't have to deal him. They can see him as Tom Brady's replacement and his value is set at #12 to them. Offering #33 may not be enough value in their minds. So you can say we are bidding against ourselves but if NE won't take anything less than #12 then the fact you have #33 is irrelevant.

Or the much more likely scenario. The pats realize he isnt and never will be a top 10 quarterback. He had 94 good passes this year and then got injured. For whatever reason there are a couple of teams that absolutely need a quarterback and have a hard-on for a guy with super limited experience. Those have now given value to a guy that shouldnt have any and the pats are trying to capitolize. Especially knowing they will owe him a lot of money next year.

So whats more likely. This guy isnt good and the pats are trying to fleece someone based on 94 career passes.

Or he is really good but the pats want to trade him anyway knowing brady only has 1-2 more years left.

I know you guys are desperate but if youre willing to give up 12 why not just go get cousins.