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2017 Browns Off Season Thread

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Alright gents. I just returned from a Pre Draft event that was held down at the stadium tonight. I got to speak with Dan Saganey who is the Director of Pro Scouting. There was a whole lot of information to take away from there. More than I expected. He answered a lot of questions we had. Now of course he couldn't tell us who we are picking because even he doesn't know but if you ask the right questions.....

A few things



  • Myles Garrett. Nuff said there
  • Someone asked about Joe Mixon and basically they have done their homework on him and he is for sure on their draft board. Do not be surprised if we draft him. It sounded to me like they not only did their homework but are very interested.
  • He was asked about how much turnover there has been and how that effects scouting players. (He's been here for 4 HC and 4 GM's) He said the biggest and most important difference between this regime and the ones in the past is communication. He also expressed the impact that Depodesta has had on the org. He's improved the communication and they are extremely organized.
  • I asked him what are the most important things they look for in QB's when scouting them. He stressed that there are three key things they look for when evaluating QB's. They are Accuracy, Decision making and intelligence, and Ability to extend the play. Those are the three main criteria they stress.
  • I asked since he can't tell us who they will draft can he share what position group do they think they need to address the most. He said CB and Safety.
  • EDIT; He also said they are really impressed with the TE class.
  • EDIT: He also said their goal going into FA was to strengthen the Offensive Line and Defensive Line. Said that they want to have strong lines and win in the trenches at the LOS.
  • Someone asked how will they approach the WR position after drafting three last yea. He said they will add more WR and that the WR position takes a long time to develop in the NFL.

Thanks for posting this, man. And asking questions.

:alc:
 
I got Dane Brugler's draft guide this year. Of all the QBs, Mitch Trubisky and Josh Dobbs really seem to fit the mold shared by Dan Saganey. I'll share a bit of what Dane had to say about their strengths. I'm sure some of you already do, but I encourage anyone interested in the draft a lot to buy DP's guide.

Mitch Trubisky
STRENGTHS: Tall, solidly built passer…outstanding athlete with the mobility and body strength to escape pressure and extend plays…efficient pocket movements to climb and delicately operate amidst backfield pressure with his eyes downfield – quick to reset his feet, set and fire…slightly above average arm strength and controls his ball speeds well…shows consistent accuracy on short-to-intermediate passes and doesn’t force his receivers to work for it…very confident passer who will use the entire field…steady play in late-game situations…great job fitting the ball between levels of coverage and consistently hits the “Turkey hole” throw…reliable decision-maker and limits low-percentage attempts (only six interceptions on 446 pass attempts in 2016)…displays the ability to make anticipation throws on in- and out-breaking routes, delivering prior to the receiver starting his break…appears frantic at times in the pocket, but quickly regains his poise and stays under control, understanding protections and where his outlet is located…toughness to stand tall in the pocket and adjust his arm angle when needed…

Josh Dobbs
STRENGTHS:
Well-built, sturdy athlete…arm strength is slightly above NFL standards to rip passes down the seam or opposite hash…improved accuracy and timing as a senior compared to his previous seasons, stemming from tweaks to his mechanics…mobile passer who will extend plays with his legs…opportunistic scrambler with a physical appetite to run through contact, using equal parts power and determination…strong strider and picks up acceleration as he goes, recording 2,160 rushing yards and 32 rushing scores over his career…high football IQ and a calming presence in the huddle…ideal mental make-up for the position with the attitude and personality that will endear him to coaches…durable and stayed healthy despite the high number of hits on his tape…productive resume with 85 total touchdowns, finishing his career ranked top-five in numerous Tennessee categories.
 
I got Dane Brugler's draft guide this year. Of all the QBs, Mitch Trubisky and Josh Dobbs really seem to fit the mold shared by Dan Saganey. I'll share a bit of what Dane had to say about their strengths. I'm sure some of you already do, but I encourage anyone interested in the draft a lot to buy DP's guide.

Mitch Trubisky
STRENGTHS: Tall, solidly built passer…outstanding athlete with the mobility and body strength to escape pressure and extend plays…efficient pocket movements to climb and delicately operate amidst backfield pressure with his eyes downfield – quick to reset his feet, set and fire…slightly above average arm strength and controls his ball speeds well…shows consistent accuracy on short-to-intermediate passes and doesn’t force his receivers to work for it…very confident passer who will use the entire field…steady play in late-game situations…great job fitting the ball between levels of coverage and consistently hits the “Turkey hole” throw…reliable decision-maker and limits low-percentage attempts (only six interceptions on 446 pass attempts in 2016)…displays the ability to make anticipation throws on in- and out-breaking routes, delivering prior to the receiver starting his break…appears frantic at times in the pocket, but quickly regains his poise and stays under control, understanding protections and where his outlet is located…toughness to stand tall in the pocket and adjust his arm angle when needed…

Josh Dobbs
STRENGTHS:
Well-built, sturdy athlete…arm strength is slightly above NFL standards to rip passes down the seam or opposite hash…improved accuracy and timing as a senior compared to his previous seasons, stemming from tweaks to his mechanics…mobile passer who will extend plays with his legs…opportunistic scrambler with a physical appetite to run through contact, using equal parts power and determination…strong strider and picks up acceleration as he goes, recording 2,160 rushing yards and 32 rushing scores over his career…high football IQ and a calming presence in the huddle…ideal mental make-up for the position with the attitude and personality that will endear him to coaches…durable and stayed healthy despite the high number of hits on his tape…productive resume with 85 total touchdowns, finishing his career ranked top-five in numerous Tennessee categories.

My question with Dobbs is can he make all the throws? If you can answer yes to that, then he is available 3rd round or later, then he would be my target over Mahomes or Trubisky since we will have to get them round 1 instead of using that pick on a defensive player. I would love to have our first four picks all be defensive guys.
 
My question with Dobbs is can he make all the throws? If you can answer yes to that, then he is available 3rd round or later, then he would be my target over Mahomes or Trubisky since we will have to get them round 1 instead of using that pick on a defensive player. I would love to have our first four picks all be defensive guys.

I don't understand this thought process at all. You can't just neglect building the offense... We'll still be able to get good defensive players in the coming drafts, not just this year. It's a process, and you need to have balance.
 
Thanks for posting this, man. And asking questions.

:alc:

I was going around a polling people asking them what they would do with the #12 pick. I asked around 40 people. About 30 wanted to stay at #12 and take BPA. Only two people wanted to draft Trubisky. The rest wanted to trade back into the late 1st and pick up more picks. I was surprised that there wasn't a lot of people who said there wanted to draft Trubisky. For the most part a lot of the people there were very supportive of the FO and the direction of the team.

Another interesting thing I found out was that of all the scouts there are only two who have played or coached at the college level. Also everybody loves Gregg Williams.
 
Yeah, Gregg Williams is about to change shit and the attitude/atmosphere of this team. He is not here to fuck around.
 
I don't think I have seen this posted on here, but for anyone who can't get enough Browns, they have partnered with the local ABC station to make a "Building the Browns" series. Usually airs on Sundays at 11. Full episodes are posted to youtube afterwards and there are currently 3 of them on there. I enjoy watching to see some behind the scenes stuff.
 
I don't understand this thought process at all. You can't just neglect building the offense... We'll still be able to get good defensive players in the coming drafts, not just this year. It's a process, and you need to have balance.

I know we still need some offense, but our OLine was upgraded, we have a solid receiving core and RBs. This draft is also a heavy defensive draft. We have no Secondary at the moment really, outside of Haden and unproven guys and Haden hasn't been able to stay on the field. It is a process but if we can get Garrett, Obi, Conley/Humphrey with our first three picks, how do you think we will look? We have 8 more picks to get the BPA after that and one of them being a TE and a RB since those are both deep positions. QB in Dobbs make sense with the idea, so that leaves 5 to draft whoever else we want.

I want to take advantage of a new Def Coordinator and get him the players we need in the draft and then in 18, with a ton of picks we get the last couple holes through free agency and draft and we will be playoff bound. Our defense was horrific last season and one paper right now, it still really bad. All the analysts say Secondary is a very deep position and one we are really weak at, so let's take advantage of it and fill in the holes. I am not saying we wouldn't take the Offensive guy if he is rated higher, but DB is my opinion, our biggest need and we can address that early without stretching for a guy.
 
I know we still need some offense, but our OLine was upgraded, we have a solid receiving core and RBs. This draft is also a heavy defensive draft. We have no Secondary at the moment really, outside of Haden and unproven guys and Haden hasn't been able to stay on the field. It is a process but if we can get Garrett, Obi, Conley/Humphrey with our first three picks, how do you think we will look? We have 8 more picks to get the BPA after that and one of them being a TE and a RB since those are both deep positions. QB in Dobbs make sense with the idea, so that leaves 5 to draft whoever else we want.

I want to take advantage of a new Def Coordinator and get him the players we need in the draft and then in 18, with a ton of picks we get the last couple holes through free agency and draft and we will be playoff bound. Our defense was horrific last season and one paper right now, it still really bad. All the analysts say Secondary is a very deep position and one we are really weak at, so let's take advantage of it and fill in the holes. I am not saying we wouldn't take the Offensive guy if he is rated higher, but DB is my opinion, our biggest need and we can address that early without stretching for a guy.

The whole point of a position being deep is that we can get really good players at the position later in the draft...

We need to address the most important position on the field, and with a prospect that's got a higher ceiling than Dobbs. Also how can you say we have a solid receiving corp? We have seen nothing that suggesting Coleman is a game-changer and he's our #1 right now.. Playmakers in general is a large need for us currently. Whether that is WR/RB/TE.
 
By no means is the receiving core or running game solid, and by no means does adding four rookies to a defense result in immediate success or improvement.

It's asinine to say the first four picks should be on one side of the ball or another. That's not to say the board doesn't end up that way in the end, but it's a moronic thing to demand from a class.
 
By no means is the receiving core or running game solid, and by no means does adding four rookies to a defense result in immediate success or improvement.

It's asinine to say the first four picks should be on one side of the ball or another. That's not to say the board doesn't end up that way in the end, but it's a moronic thing to demand from a class.

Really the only thing I dont want to do is take a OL in the first 4 picks, no need there.

But every position is a position of need practically for the Browns. There is a reason we won only 1 game last year.
 
I feel we addressed the biggest need on Offense with getting Tretter and Zeitler, we now should have a top 5 OLine. We put a lot of last year's draft into WR and we replaced Pryor with Britt, so our receivers aren't #1 in the league, but they have a ton of potential. Our RBs were solid last season and we will draft a RB at one in point in this draft likely the 3rd/4th round. Having an upgraded line will increase this offense as we have it now, a lot more than you guys are thinking. My plan would be get Garrett, 1-2 S, 2-3 CBs, a TE, a RB, a QB and whoever else makes sense via the board. I know it's deep in DBs, but I want the top guys plus depth guys in this draft. Thats the way I am approaching this, but that being said, you guys have your own, and I'll stick to my plan and we will see who was closest to the way the Browns go.

Essentially I feel if we don't draft defensive heavy in a defensive heavy draft, we will not be moving this team in the right direction, so if you don't like my reasoning, so be it, but this is what I believe
 
Yo are allowed to be wrong @sportscoach and nobody is going to kick you out of here for being wrong... but make no mistake, you are wrong.

We agree on the dire need for defensive backs. I have no problem in the second and third rounds if the Browns stray a little from their BPA rankings to help those positions, because a team that can't stop the passing game will be out of contention by halftime. That said, the situation is no more dire than the need for a quarterback.

I'm excited about the defensive coordinator upgrade, nobody on RCF was happy with Ray Horton's second tour of duty a year ago. That said, RCF was excited to see a creative playcaller in Hue Jackson take the head job. To this point, a lack of talent on the offensive side has hindered his full potential as a play caller. That is just as much of a waste.
 
Our team has more holes to fill than a hooker convention. Draft the best player available at #12.
 

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