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2017 Draft Prospects Thread

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I'm a fan of Trubisky, and I am also enamored with the idea of what Mahomes could be.

Mahomes needs a redshirt year. However, you take a guy with his talent, size, athleticism, and charisma this year and give him an entire year working with NFL coaches on his mechanics, running Hue's WCO, QB room, and setting protections.... 365 days from now you may rather have that guy than one of the top QB's next year. So if you're willing to put a year of work into Mahomes and be patient, a guy you take at 12 could essentially have 1st overall value in 2018.

Sure, yes, he needs work, but you're also getting him with your coaches a year early. It's an interesting proposition for those wanting to wait for a high-first QB next year. You'd still get him "next year." It's just a guy who you invested #12 a year earlier.
 
https://theathletic.com/53455/2017/04/20/dan-mcgraw-nfl-draft/

This discussion of the value of trading down began with a study done in 2005 (and then updated in 2013) by Cade Massey (Wharton School of Business) and Richard Thaler (University of Chicago) called “The Loser’s Curse.” It analyzed all sorts of draft issues, including 8,526 draft trades. The authors found that the teams that traded down own averaged 5.4 more starts per season from the players they got from the trade versus the No. 1 pick they gave up, with those extra starts happening in 74 percent of the trades. “In paying a steep price to move up, teams are paying a lot to acquire a pick that is worth less than the ones they are giving up,” they concluded.

They also concluded that teams that traded up usually had an itchy finger, that they want to trade up so badly that they usually give up too much to do so. And that teams holding the pick the other team wanted so badly could usually fleece them for more picks than they thought they could get. “Indeed, the irony of our results is that the supposed benefit bestowed upon the worst team in the league, the right to pick first in the draft, is only a benefit if the team trades it away,” they write. “The first pick in the draft is the loser’s curse.”​
 
I think the thing detracting from Mahomes coming here, is that Hue seems to really value accuracy over everything else. Which isn't Mahomes best attribute to be fair.

This leads me to believe the Browns won't touch him. Which is sad because I think he ends up being the best QB in this class with some seasoning.
 
Triplethreat said:
I think the thing detracting from Mahomes coming here, is that Hue seems to really value accuracy over everything else. Which isn't Mahomes best attribute to be fair.

This leads me to believe the Browns won't touch him. Which is sad because I think he ends up being the best QB in this class with some seasoning.
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His completion % went up every year and his YPA was over 8. He made some solid progressions in that regard.
 
LB isn't probably a position we will draft in the first round and if he did fail a test, I don't think we can chance a guy like that before round 3. There is a chance he gets suspended to start his career, not what Cleveland should take a chance on.

My money would be on Mahomes not being in Cleveland, even if we do go offensive in the first round. He isn't worth the 12th pick, but I can see a move up from 33 for a QB if he is our target.
 
Gregg Williams plays three LBs like 20 percent of the time.

Foster likely wasn't getting picked up even if he didn't get booted from the combine after failing a drug test
 
The Browns aren't going to draft Reuben Foster.

They like Kirksey and will likely try to re-sign him and they just paid Jamie Collins. A lot of the time, the Browns will have 2 LBs on the field for any given play. Having Foster split time with two LBs the Browns hope to have for a long time would be a very inefficient selection for the Browns at that 12 spot.

If the pick isn't QB, the Browns need to find a player who will be in most, if not all, defensive/offensive packages. Foster simply would not fit that need.
 
chrisrich91 said:
Yes, let's have this conversation again!!



Next Thursday can't come soon enough.
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Yeah I feel like everything discussed is always a rehash of former convos but I still skim through everything.

I used to research mock drafts relentlessly and look up prospects everyday until the draft. For some reason this year I can't do it and just been ignoring most of the noise. I think the draft being pushed back further into the year really messed me up and gives me anxiety.
 
The NFL Draft was 12 rounds when I was a kid, and there would still be eventual starting material to be found in the undrafted free agent pool. I used to sit on the porcelain throne with my Street and Smith's trying to solve the unsolvable.
 
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