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2017 Browns Off Season Thread

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OFFENSE

WR – Corey Coleman, Rashard Higgins, Jordan Payton,
LT – Joe Thomas, Roderick Johnson
LG – Joel Bitonio, Spencer Drango
C – J.C. Tretter, Austin Reiter
RG – Kevin Zeitler, John Greco
RT – Shon Coleman, Cameron Erving
TE – David Njoku, Seth DeValve, Randall Telfer
QB – Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Brock Osweiler
WR – Kenny Britt, Ricardo Louis,
RB – Isaiah Crowell, Duke Johnson, Matt Dayes (Practice squad)
FB – Danny Vitale

DEFENSE

RDE – Myles Garrett, Jamie Meder, Xavier Cooper
NT – Danny Shelton, Caleb Brantley, Gabe Wright
LDE – Emmanuel Ogbah, Carl Nassib, Larry Ogunjobi
OLB – Jamie Collins, Cam Johnson
ILB – Christian Kirksey, Demario Davis, Dominique Alexander, Tank Carder
OLB – Joe Schobert, Nate Orchard
LCB – Joe Haden, Briean Boddy-Calhoun
SS – Jabrill Peppers,Ed Reynolds
FS – Ibraheim Campbell, Tyvis Powell, Trey Caldwell
RCB – Jamar Taylor, Howard Wilson


When you guys look at our projected depth chart going into this season, where do we rank the Browns needs as currently constructed.

Personally, I'd say:

1. Quarterback
2. Secondary - more so DB, but certainly safety as well.
3. No 1 Wide Receiver
4. RB
5. O-Line depth?
6. Defensive tackle?

I mean really, these holes are starting to fill in quickly... So much young talent too. I only see 4 really glaring holes on the roster currently. Maybe 4-5 players away.
 
OFFENSE

WR – Corey Coleman, Rashard Higgins, Jordan Payton,
LT – Joe Thomas, Roderick Johnson
LG – Joel Bitonio, Spencer Drango
C – J.C. Tretter, Austin Reiter
RG – Kevin Zeitler, John Greco
RT – Shon Coleman, Cameron Erving
TE – David Njoku, Seth DeValve, Randall Telfer
QB – Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Brock Osweiler
WR – Kenny Britt, Ricardo Louis,
RB – Isaiah Crowell, Duke Johnson, Matt Dayes (Practice squad)
FB – Danny Vitale

DEFENSE

RDE – Myles Garrett, Jamie Meder, Xavier Cooper
NT – Danny Shelton, Caleb Brantley, Gabe Wright
LDE – Emmanuel Ogbah, Carl Nassib, Larry Ogunjobi
OLB – Jamie Collins, Cam Johnson
ILB – Christian Kirksey, Demario Davis, Dominique Alexander, Tank Carder
OLB – Joe Schobert, Nate Orchard
LCB – Joe Haden, Briean Boddy-Calhoun
SS – Jabrill Peppers,Ed Reynolds
FS – Ibraheim Campbell, Tyvis Powell, Trey Caldwell
RCB – Jamar Taylor, Howard Wilson


When you guys look at our projected depth chart going into this season, where do we rank the Browns needs as currently constructed.

Personally, I'd say:

1. Quarterback
2. Secondary - more so DB, but certainly safety as well.
3. No 1 Wide Receiver
4. RB
5. O-Line depth?
6. Defensive tackle?

I mean really, these holes are starting to fill in quickly... So much young talent too. I only see 4 really glaring holes on the roster currently. Maybe 4-5 players away.


I think you're missing what the likely defensive set will be. Though I'm assuming you're just looking at the Ourlads depth chart.

Four down lineman, two LB and five DB.

EDGE - Myles Garrett -- Joe Schobert -- Nate Orchard
DT - Danny Shelton -- Jaime Meder -- Gabe Wright
DT - Larry Ogunjobi -- Caleb Brantley -- Desmond Bryant
DE - Emmanuel Ogbah -- Carl Nassib

LB - Jaime Collins -- Dominique Alexander
LB - Chris Kirksey -- Demario Davis -- Tank Carder

CB - Joe Haden
CB - Jason McCourty
NB - Jamar Taylor -- Brien Boddy-Calhoun

Hybrid - Jabril Peppers
FS - Ed Reynolds -- Kai Nacua -- Tyvis Powell
 
OFFENSE

WR – Corey Coleman, Rashard Higgins, Jordan Payton,
LT – Joe Thomas, Roderick Johnson
LG – Joel Bitonio, Spencer Drango
C – J.C. Tretter, Austin Reiter
RG – Kevin Zeitler, John Greco
RT – Shon Coleman, Cameron Erving
TE – David Njoku, Seth DeValve, Randall Telfer
QB – Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Brock Osweiler
WR – Kenny Britt, Ricardo Louis,
RB – Isaiah Crowell, Duke Johnson, Matt Dayes (Practice squad)
FB – Danny Vitale

DEFENSE

RDE – Myles Garrett, Jamie Meder, Xavier Cooper
NT – Danny Shelton, Caleb Brantley, Gabe Wright
LDE – Emmanuel Ogbah, Carl Nassib, Larry Ogunjobi
OLB – Jamie Collins, Cam Johnson
ILB – Christian Kirksey, Demario Davis, Dominique Alexander, Tank Carder
OLB – Joe Schobert, Nate Orchard
LCB – Joe Haden, Briean Boddy-Calhoun
SS – Jabrill Peppers,Ed Reynolds
FS – Ibraheim Campbell, Tyvis Powell, Trey Caldwell
RCB – Jamar Taylor, Howard Wilson


When you guys look at our projected depth chart going into this season, where do we rank the Browns needs as currently constructed.

Personally, I'd say:

1. Quarterback
2. Secondary - more so DB, but certainly safety as well.
3. No 1 Wide Receiver
4. RB
5. O-Line depth?
6. Defensive tackle?

I mean really, these holes are starting to fill in quickly... So much young talent too. I only see 4 really glaring holes on the roster currently. Maybe 4-5 players away.

It's not that there are so many holes, but it'll take a few years for the young guys to really adjust to the speed & strength of the competition. I agree that we have lots of potential, and I have secondary help being the biggest hole, given that between Kessler and Kizer, I tend to think that at least 1 of them will be starting quality. I put the secondary first (!) because I am not sure how long Haden will be a #1, so that cupboard looks bare...
 
I think you're missing what the likely defensive set will be. Though I'm assuming you're just looking at the Ourlads depth chart.

Four down lineman, two LB and five DB.

EDGE - Myles Garrett -- Joe Schobert -- Nate Orchard
DT - Danny Shelton -- Jaime Meder -- Gabe Wright
DT - Larry Ogunjobi -- Caleb Brantley -- Desmond Bryant
DE - Emmanuel Ogbah -- Carl Nassib

LB - Jaime Collins -- Dominique Alexander
LB - Chris Kirksey -- Demario Davis -- Tank Carder

CB - Joe Haden
CB - Jason McCourty
NB - Jamar Taylor -- Brien Boddy-Calhoun

Hybrid - Jabril Peppers
FS - Ed Reynolds -- Kai Nacua -- Tyvis Powell

You're correct. I just pulled the one from CBS.

Certainly LB depth is a slight problem as well I guess.

It's not that there are so many holes, but it'll take a few years for the young guys to really adjust to the speed & strength of the competition. I agree that we have lots of potential, and I have secondary help being the biggest hole, given that between Kessler and Kizer, I tend to think that at least 1 of them will be starting quality. I put the secondary first (!) because I am not sure how long Haden will be a #1, so that cupboard looks bare...

We don't really have "elite" talent anywhere but O-line currently. As you said it's going to take a few years for guys to develop into those players, but the point is that we have players in those positions that are far and away already better than last year's team.
 
I think you're missing what the likely defensive set will be. Though I'm assuming you're just looking at the Ourlads depth chart.

Four down lineman, two LB and five DB.

EDGE - Myles Garrett -- Joe Schobert -- Nate Orchard
DT - Danny Shelton -- Jaime Meder -- Gabe Wright
DT - Larry Ogunjobi -- Caleb Brantley -- Desmond Bryant
DE - Emmanuel Ogbah -- Carl Nassib

LB - Jaime Collins -- Dominique Alexander
LB - Chris Kirksey -- Demario Davis -- Tank Carder

CB - Joe Haden
CB - Jason McCourty
NB - Jamar Taylor -- Brien Boddy-Calhoun

Hybrid - Jabril Peppers
FS - Ed Reynolds -- Kai Nacua -- Tyvis Powell

Are you expecting Kindred to be off the team then?
 
Secondary (old/down years/more to prove) and WR (unproven/young) are biggest needs.

Of course you can say QB, but let that go for now.
 
Are you expecting Kindred to be off the team then?

He could certainly fit in behind Peppers too, or as a special teams guy.

I don't think he's a lock to make the roster by any stretch.
 
I'm interested to see how Schobert is used, and of course the free safety battle is going to be one of the more intriguing storylines leading up to game 1 of the regular season.
 
That secondary scares me. It really does. We've been plugging the hole left by Gilbert's suck with late round picks and afterthought free agent signings, and every year Haden is a little more banged up and seemingly a step slower.

Those who know the Gregg Williams defense and hold Peppers up as the idea "hybrid" safety guy... What type of player is the ideal complement at the safety spot, and how does it compare to Ed Reynolds the Second?

Wide Receiver seems like it could go a lot of different ways. Maybe Coleman is a secret number 1 and one of our parade of late rounders makes a step to be a decent WR. And Britt is still good and Njoku is as studly as they say. That would be pretty sweet and not completely implausible.

OR, Coleman is kind of a bust and is at best a #2, or can't stay healthy, the others remain JAGs, Britt pulls a Davone Bess and goes from kind of good to almost aggressively bad just because he puts on a Browns uniform I guess, and we're nowhere.
 
Fully guaranteed? Browns not messing around.
I thought it was just under 21M guaranteed? Nevermind, researching that now and that's the signing bonus. JFC, why wasn't I born athletic as hell and 6'4
 
That secondary scares me. It really does. We've been plugging the hole left by Gilbert's suck with late round picks and afterthought free agent signings, and every year Haden is a little more banged up and seemingly a step slower.

Those who know the Gregg Williams defense and hold Peppers up as the idea "hybrid" safety guy... What type of player is the ideal complement at the safety spot, and how does it compare to Ed Reynolds the Second?

Wide Receiver seems like it could go a lot of different ways. Maybe Coleman is a secret number 1 and one of our parade of late rounders makes a step to be a decent WR. And Britt is still good and Njoku is as studly as they say. That would be pretty sweet and not completely implausible.

OR, Coleman is kind of a bust and is at best a #2, or can't stay healthy, the others remain JAGs, Britt pulls a Davone Bess and goes from kind of good to almost aggressively bad just because he puts on a Browns uniform I guess, and we're nowhere.

Pretty much my thoughts. The optimistic take on the 2ndary is that with added DL pressure, the passing defense will be much improved all around. As for the WR, we just have to see how the QB's and young WRs develop. I lean toward the optimistic side with Coleman blowing the top off of the D, Britt being the inside slant threat, and Njoku being a true menace, especially once he gets stronger and learns how to block. That would be good enough.
 

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