Racial Tension in the U.S.

[Tornicade]

Tulsa cop not guilty in fatal shooting of unarmed black man

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/us/tulsa-police-shooting-trial/index.html?adkey=bn

the guy turned out to be armed. he had 2 of them

 

[Cavatt]

1. if you cross reference the victims of crime, their reports corroborate the crime statistics(perp by race) reported by collecting crime stats from criminal caught by the system. so thats incorrect. Its not even close cavatt. Black people commit 4x more violent crime per capita. Thats a fact. From the doj, cavatt. Facts arent racist, they just have a tendency of destroying your narrative apparently.

you want to talk anti science? you have mounds of data looking at you and you dont accept it. is it a hoax created by whitey? incredible. your politics have confused you so much that you cannot accept empirical data. you are an ideologue. you do not have the capacity to look at issues rationally. im telling you flat out - that is making it absolutely impossible to have a conversation wiht you. if you cant accept facts, which those are, how can you have a conversation with someone about racial tension?

2. you did not address the fact that I literally posted 30 articles of obvious anti white racism. It clearly exists as I have posted 30 instances. how do you not understand that its popular and accepted? its staring at you in black and white. cognitive dissonance?

3. you did not address an argument. you stated two facts. 'you have said whites are victim of racism.' yes. 'you say you are not racist.' yes. how on earth do you get 'must be racist' out of that? cavatt, this is.. concerning. it seems youre so indoctrinated that you have walls built to prevent you from understanding really simple concepts, and to not be able to define what racism is.

4. hysteria? dude wtf? explain how literally a quote from a political candidate: "im coming for your property, white people" is hysteria? So quoting someone who is racist against a people of a skin color to provide evidence of racism is now racist? ..fucking hell cavatt..

Hysteria? What the fuck does that make you?do you get a pass bc youre unable to source any actual racism? Is that the loophole here?do you want to address the context of my quote too? because it was a response to the question 'what would you do if there were a political movement that put people of a race in danger?' so nonviolence is hysteria, and violence is...? This is the shittiest version of 1984 ive ever heard of. ..you write a one word response to that? 'hysteria?" can you just give me a stream of running consciousness? because its really difficult to understand how your thought process works.

5. no. YOU dont understand what people do in this thread and their agendas. ive literally had to explain to you personally that condemning violence isnt the same as supporting richard spencer, but it seems like you dont have an easy time grasping things. After the 5th time of explaining it to you like youre five, its no longer my issue. Its yours. You have a problem. I dont care what it is, i just know that ive been more than patient with you and its not me, its you. at this point, im done trying ot be nice to you. it just seems like you have a hard time understanding really simple concepts and im not benefitting from conversation with you. You have nothing to teach, refuse to learn, and are motivated to fabricate bullshit and find racism in everything, ESPECIALLY where it doesnt exist.

6. i dont understand what youre saying, at all. it sounds like youre saying 'white people have the power and we need to overthrow them?' i dont know what youre saying, and your answer doesnt really address my question in the first place.

im trying hard with you, and it seems like the mjore I explain, the harder of a time you have understanding.

I love the parts where you call other people dumb. Best parts.

I'd love to make some simple points.

I never said racism against whites doesn't exist. I said it is not the most "pressing" type of racism because it has no effect on the lives of white people except that you get called out for saying racist things now. I think claiming that racism against whites is worse makes you delusional at best. Those articles are pretty tame and a lot of them were written by white people, so I guess that is white on white racism, which is destroying our suburban areas.

I do think it is weird you go out of your way to smear BLM as a group, but you are consistently fighting for the rights of guys like Richard Spencer. Why don't you ever say, "I disagree with BLM, but I will defend their right to organize peacefully with my life!" You have clearly said that a peaceful racist is better than a violent anti-racist. The end game if we were to follow both of those imaginary people to what they want the world to be, one would be inclusive and there would be another where every African American in the United states is dead or shipped back to Africa. You have defended Spencer and are seemingly a believer in "white genocide" which is part of his belief system. If I were you, I would think long and hard about the things you agree with that dude on and maybe who you express those thoughts to as well. I also agree that he should have freedom of speech like other Americans, but first I say this guy is a total piece of shit because I am willing to judge him based on his political beliefs, even if we are of the same race.

And if you really want to know the truth about me, I am not really that liberal. I am just constantly disgusted by this thread in particular and the outdated cave man style thinking I see here. I hate posting in this thread, but I come in here to at least call out the dumb shit every once in awhile. I am very capable of changing my mind. I doubt someone like you would do it on anything substantive. I don't have a lot of respect for Tucker Carlson.

The ideologue part was great. Your ideas are really far outside the mainstream. I am just telling you flat out.

 

[CommD]

I love the parts where you call other people dumb. Best parts.

I'd love to make some simple points.

I never said racism against whites doesn't exist. I said it is not the most "pressing" type of racism because it has no effect on the lives of white people except that you get called out for saying racist things now. I think claiming that racism against whites is worse makes you delusional at best. Those articles are pretty tame and a lot of them were written by white people, so I guess that is white on white racism, which is destroying our suburban areas.

I do think it is weird you go out of your way to smear BLM as a group, but you are consistently fighting for the rights of guys like Richard Spencer. Why don't you ever say, "I disagree with BLM, but I will defend their right to organize peacefully with my life!" You have clearly said that a peaceful racist is better than a violent anti-racist. The end game if we were to follow both of those imaginary people to what they want the world to be, one would be inclusive and there would be another where every African American in the United states is dead or shipped back to Africa. You have defended Spencer and are seemingly a believer in "white genocide" which is part of his belief system. If I were you, I would think long and hard about the things you agree with that dude on and maybe who you express those thoughts to as well. I also agree that he should have freedom of speech like other Americans, but first I say this guy is a total piece of shit because I am willing to judge him based on his political beliefs, even if we are of the same race.

And if you really want to know the truth about me, I am not really that liberal. I am just constantly disgusted by this thread in particular and the outdated cave man style thinking I see here. I hate posting in this thread, but I come in here to at least call out the dumb shit every once in awhile. I am very capable of changing my mind. I doubt someone like you would do it on anything substantive. I don't have a lot of respect for Tucker Carlson.

The ideologue part was great. Your ideas are really far outside the mainstream. I am just telling you flat out.

it's really no mystery. Dude is exactly what he appears to be. He and his are simply a part of the American fabric. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time. JMHO.

 

[Whittaker]

never said racism against whites doesn't exist. I said it is not the most "pressing" type of racism because it has no effect on the lives of white people

Racism against white people has no effect on them?
I haven't been following this conversation closely but did you seriously mean that?

 

[Tornicade]

Racism against white people has no effect on them?
I haven't been following this conversation closely but did you seriously mean that?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTR-_Klcq8

 

[Whittaker]

Yeah.
How silly of me to try to get clarification on an openly racist statement in a 'Racial Tension' thread.

Shit post.

 

[Soda]

Racism against white people has no effect on them?
I haven't been following this conversation closely but did you seriously mean that?

"Don't tell me how I experience life, but I'll tell you how you do."

 

[Whittaker]

"Don't tell me how I experience life, but I'll tell you how you do."

Exactly.

Its bad enough anytime but in a discussion on racial animosity it is poison.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Why don't you ever say, "I disagree with BLM, but I will defend their right to organize peacefully with my life!"

The only people whose right to peaceably organize seems to be under concerted attack are Trump supporters. And I'm not even exaggerating. When was the last time someone prevented BLM from holding a peaceful rally?

You have clearly said that a peaceful racist is better than a violent anti-racist. The end game if we were to follow both of those imaginary people to what they want the world to be, one would be inclusive and there would be another where every African American in the United states is dead or shipped back to Africa.

You're missing the argument. Racists are repulsive. But if they are non-violent racists, as was the condition attached by @David. , then blacks aren't getting killed or shipped back to Africa. You end up with a few fringe wackos who shoot off their mouths, then crawl back under the rocks from which they came. Those people can be dealt with over time peaceably, and eventually their views die out.

In contrast, in what universe are violent people "inclusive"? There is shitloads of evidence out there that racism still exists, but there is also shitloads of evidence out there that some false accusations of racism are made as well. Some people see racism behind every freaking bush. So what happens when your violent "anti-racists" go after people who are not racists? Reginald Denny?

And the really bad part about it is that the violent anti-racists who start going after white people may well create a backlash that makes racism worse.

So I'm with @David. Violence, whether committed by racists or "anti-racists", is the biggest problem.

 

[-Akronite-]

You're missing the argument. Racists are repulsive. But if they are non-violent racists, as was the condition attached by @David. , then blacks aren't getting killed or shipped back to Africa. You end up with a few fringe wackos who shoot off their mouths, then crawl back under the rocks from which they came. Those people can be dealt with over time peaceably, and eventually their views die out.

Til one of em becomes president and they all come out from under their rocks.

 

[Cavatt]

Racism against white people has no effect on them?
I haven't been following this conversation closely but did you seriously mean that?

He didn't explain any effects that white people experience. It was a bunch of articles that said "check your white privilege". It was a bunch of articles criticizing the white power structure basically. That is the racism he faces everyday. If he is seriously experiencing people racist against him every day I would love to hear about it.

 

[Soda]

If he is seriously experiencing people racist against him every day I would love to hear about it.

So, you're doubling down on the notion? It's just as wrong for him to prescribe your experience as it is for you to tell him his.

@The Human Q-Tip guess this means ol' Dennis made it up.

 

[Cavatt]

The only people whose right to peaceably organize seems to be under concerted attack are Trump supporters. And I'm not even exaggerating. When was the last time someone prevented BLM from holding a peaceful rally?



You're missing the argument. Racists are repulsive. But if they are non-violent racists, as was the condition attached by @David. , then blacks aren't getting killed or shipped back to Africa. You end up with a few fringe wackos who shoot off their mouths, then crawl back under the rocks from which they came. Those people can be dealt with over time peaceably, and eventually their views die out.

In contrast, in what universe are violent people "inclusive"? There is shitloads of evidence out there that racism still exists, but there is also shitloads of evidence out there that some false accusations of racism are made as well. Some people see racism behind every freaking bush. So what happens when your violent "anti-racists" go after people who are not racists? Reginald Denny?

And the really bad part about it is that the violent anti-racists who start going after white people may well create a backlash that makes racism worse.

So I'm with @David. Violence, whether committed by racists or "anti-racists", is the biggest problem.

What is the end game for a non-violent racist. What do they want as their final solution? Segregation? Richard Spencer has advocated "peaceful genocide as a solution". Sounds peaceful.

My grandpa used to kill Nazis to protect American values. I have him as one of the good guys.

I don't know how i feel punching this dude Richard Spencer because he hasn't executed his plan yet, but I don't lose any sleep over it when someone punches him. Every American should be against that guy. I think they are really dangerous. Classifying all these guys as non-violent also isn't true as we have seen with Dylan Roof and the guy in Quebec.

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2...-ignores-domestic-right-wing-extremism/215260

You have said before talk does nothing to cow muslim extremists. If we have to fight them, and can't talk them out of their point of view, what are we supposed to do with guys like Richard Spencer?

I view these guys as worse offenders, sorry.

As for the bolded. Are you willing to say like Dave that there has been more of that, than whites against blacks? Is racism against whites a "more pressing matter"? Do you consider BLM to be backlash against the racism and violence that black people have experienced? You seem to be worried about the backlash, but not the lash.

 

[Cavatt]

So, you're doubling down on the notion? It's just as wrong for him to prescribe your experience as it is for you to tell him his.

@The Human Q-Tip guess this means ol' Dennis made it up.

No I open to it. I am discounting a bunch of articles with derogatory headlines about white people as proof that racism against whites is worse than against black people.

I'd love to hear how his life has been negatively impacted by being white.

 

[Whittaker]

I'd love to make some simple points.

I never said racism against whites doesn't exist. I said it is not the most "pressing" type of racism because it has no effect on the lives of white people except that you get called out for saying racist things now.

I went back and reread. I realized that my earlier quote clipped the thought and the context of your post.
That is on me and I'm sorry.

Still, I wonder if you could expand on the bolded.
It just doesn't make sense to me that you believe that racism against whites could only affect the small subset of whites who say racist things and only affect them in a narrow way..."they get called out for it".
For example...Say a white high school girl is shunned, undermined and ultimately cut by her basketball program because the other players and the coach are racist against white people. Wouldn't that negatively affect her life in a way that you claim can't happen?