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I'm really shocked Riley is going to his grave with his last group being completely devoid of stars or even a prayer of winning it all.

At 72, locking up a bunch of guys for 4 years is game over for him. Hell, even if you had a dream rebuild following that group, it would be another 5 years before a prayer at competitiveness, and I'm pretty sure they are missing many of their picks come like that '21 and '22 period.

In a year where many stars are signing shorter term deals, I'm kind of surprised rings or bust Riley wouldn't take one last crack at '18 class of free agents and going out on top. To go out with a 3 seed or bust team with zero title equity is kind of surprising.

Not to mention, they had a number of reclamation projects who finally got paid like Waiters and JJ. To think those guys will replicate their best seasons, not get lazy, and that headcases like Dion or even Hassan will continue to buy in being on an average team just feels naive. Just missing Dion at end of year killed them. Without a true star, they need every single guy to produce at his career best to just be an also ran. Highly unlikely.
 
David Griffin is now in contract negotiations with the Knicks

Stage 2 of Operation Melo is here.
 
I'm really shocked Riley is going to his grave with his last group being completely devoid of stars or even a prayer of winning it all.

At 72, locking up a bunch of guys for 4 years is game over for him. Hell, even if you had a dream rebuild following that group, it would be another 5 years before a prayer at competitiveness, and I'm pretty sure they are missing many of their picks come like that '21 and '22 period.

In a year where many stars are signing shorter term deals, I'm kind of surprised rings or bust Riley wouldn't take one last crack at '18 class of free agents and going out on top. To go out with a 3 seed or bust team with zero title equity is kind of surprising.

Not to mention, they had a number of reclamation projects who finally got paid like Waiters and JJ. To think those guys will replicate their best seasons, not get lazy, and that headcases like Dion or even Hassan will continue to buy in being on an average team just feels naive. Just missing Dion at end of year killed them. Without a true star, they need every single guy to produce at his career best to just be an also ran. Highly unlikely.
Riley has a veteran cored of Dragic , James Johnson and Wayne Ellington,

Hassan Whiteside has been a high PER guy for three straight season.

the team has a few guys still in development stage and some guys who have time In the league and are about to enter their prime.


Rileys hands are tied with with Bosh's salary and they chose to let it to take the buyout in one lump.

still he in a good situation cap wise and he has a team that will fill the seats in Miami.
 
David Griffin is now in contract negotiations with the Knicks

Stage 2 of Operation Melo is here.
I will say that I am actually looking forward to seeing him and his true talent. Fresh start with a blank slate, not having to deal with LeBron's Win-Now mode.

I never liked him with the Cavs though. Felt he was too inefficient with assets, could not draft, and was ok with trades(as far as getting system players). Being ok at 1/3 of your job is not a good thing. lol
 
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I will say that I am actually looking forward to seeing him and his true talent. Fresh start with a blank slate, not having to deal with LeBron's Win-Now mode.

I never liked him with the Cavs though. Felt he was too inefficient with assets, could not draft, and was ok with trades(as far as getting system players). Being ok at 1/3 of your job is not a good thing. lol

Could not draft? Dude had like no first-rounders to work with. He started in 2014, when our current "Win-Now" mode was activated. He did, however, turn Dion Waiters and a late first round pick into JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, and Timofey Mozgov. He turned an almost-out-of-the-league Anderson Varejao into Channing Fyre, a dude who I saw basically win Game 3 in Atlanta last season. And then he committed to the "We just won a championship/If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality and hoped that the 'third year of being together' chemistry between LeBron, Kyrie, and Love would be good enough to counter the Durant move.

I went to Game 4 this year, and I saw the Cavs play their best game of the season. THAT team could've repeated. We are one play away from a 2-2 series and a non-critical Game 5. David Griffin built this team and I always thought he got too little credit for the great teams he's both put together AND had to manage. There's a lot of personalities on the Cavs. He helped build the type of culture, alongside LeBron, to make highly combustible guys like JR Smith flourish.

I am a diehard Cleveland Cavaliers fan and have been since I moved there in '99 (when I was 6), but I am REALLY starting to worry that this move will be looked back on as one of the worst moves in franchise history (Right there next to drafting Bennett and anything involving Stepien).

TLDR- I disagree, bro.
 
Riley has a veteran cored of Dragic , James Johnson and Wayne Ellington,

Hassan Whiteside has been a high PER guy for three straight season.

the team has a few guys still in development stage and some guys who have time In the league and are about to enter their prime.


Rileys hands are tied with with Bosh's salary and they chose to let it to take the buyout in one lump.

still he in a good situation cap wise and he has a team that will fill the seats in Miami.

It's not that any of the deals are horrible as a stand alone, or that he had many options, but I'm just surprised he didn't choose flexibility over being a team that's a tough out, but with zero title equity.

They have a bunch of gamers but no stars and no real money to spend for a few seasons now. They'll probably be a 4 or 5 seed and second round exit team, but have no one to build around. They did a great job on the reclamation projects last year, but paying those guys you got way above expectation from seems suspect. They can't lose 40 lbs or play for contracts again this year. Plus Winslow is back to shoot badly. They took off when he went down.

Team of guys who'd be wonderful as a team's 4th best player.
 
Gordon hasn't been good against the warriors. The numbers were posted earlier. I don't know what Ariza is like offensively against the warriors, but Love did good things against the warriors. No, he didn't score in as high volume or efficiency but he rebounded and played defense. I still think we don't use him enough and he could be more effective. I think he would be great with Chris Paul.

I think you could stick prince luc in Durant for 25-30 minutes just as easily. We know curry is going to be guarding whoever is at small forward anyway whether it's luc or Ariza.

The warriors aren't worried about Ariza attacking Curry.

There's no way in hell I'd trade Clint for anything less than a star. I think very highly of him, he's young, and they have nobody else that can do what he does.

So, this is why I think the Rockets have a great shot to beat Golden State. Trying to hide Curry on Ariza doesn't work, because that means you're now going to have Durant or Draymond guard James Harden, and that's not gonna cut it. Curry has to play Chris Paul straight up.

You're right, Houston trying to run offense through Ariza to exploit Curry won't work. But that's not why Ariza is preferable to a guy like Sefolosha or Moute.

Those two guys are such non-factors offensively that, in a 7 game series, you game plan your defense around them. You take an extra step away from them to help with drives. You rotate off of them to double more. When the defense breaks down, they're the guys you leave open to help.

Basically, they're the equivalent of what Harrison Barnes was in the FInals. Barnes was a better offensive player than either of those two, but he pretty much regressed to what those two guys are.

So it's hard to play guys like that 30+ minutes a game in a 7 game series, because it becomes easier to expose them. Luc Richard shot 1.4 3s a game last year, 0.5 the year before, and for his career, 0.7. In a 7 game series, you just pretend he doesn't exist on offense. Sure, there might be a game where he decides to take 4 or 5 3s and hits a couple. But over the course of the series, you count on the averages playing out, and once he starts missing, he'll stop shooting.

That won't work with Ariza. He shoots a lot of them, he's not afraid to keep shooting them, and he shoots them well enough that if you totally ignore him, he can drop 4 or 5 made 3s on you quite easily.

So yea, Ariza isn't good enough to have the offense run through him to expose a weak defensive player, but he's good enough that he can't be ignored. I feel like you can get away with ignore both Moute and Sefolosha.

That said, again, I don't think Golden State would be wise to put Curry on Ariza. You're just creating two mismatches instead of one. And it's why I really like Houston's roster construction as it relates to Golden State. Not to mention they've got another good wing defender to throw at Durant in PJ Tucker.

The only concern is Ryan Anderson getting beaten up all over the court by Draymond. People shit on Kevin Love, but Love doesn't get bullied by Green. He defends him well, keeps him out of the paint, and rebounds the ball at a high level. I'm afraid Anderson will just get punked.

Also, this doesn't mean I don't like Moute. I'd like Moute to be on this team. But in a series with Golden State, I'd expect him to be a 17-22 minute guy. Spell LeBron for a bit, guard Durant for a bit. But he's a lot like Shumpert in that, after that nice little spurt of energy, the other team can adjust their defense and start making him be the guy to make shots.

Only he's preferable to Shumpert because he's a better defender who can more adequately bother Durant.
 
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Could not draft? Dude had like no first-rounders to work with. He started in 2014, when our current "Win-Now" mode was activated. He did, however, turn Dion Waiters and a late first round pick into JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, and Timofey Mozgov. He turned an almost-out-of-the-league Anderson Varejao into Channing Fyre, a dude who I saw basically win Game 3 in Atlanta last season. And then he committed to the "We just won a championship/If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality and hoped that the 'third year of being together' chemistry between LeBron, Kyrie, and Love would be good enough to counter the Durant move.

I went to Game 4 this year, and I saw the Cavs play their best game of the season. THAT team could've repeated. We are one play away from a 2-2 series and a non-critical Game 5. David Griffin built this team and I always thought he got too little credit for the great teams he's both put together AND had to manage. There's a lot of personalities on the Cavs. He helped build the type of culture, alongside LeBron, to make highly combustible guys like JR Smith flourish.

I am a diehard Cleveland Cavaliers fan and have been since I moved there in '99 (when I was 6), but I am REALLY starting to worry that this move will be looked back on as one of the worst moves in franchise history (Right there next to drafting Bennett and anything involving Stepien).

TLDR- I disagree, bro.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but Nate Forbes and Dan Gilbert have been heavily involved in all trades, and some other GM duties in the past.

So whatever credit you want to give Grif, don't forget to give credit where is also due...to the two guys who are still here, running things, who don't seem to really respect the GM position for a reason, who also would have gotten us Paul George if it wasn't for Indiana's shithead GM.

So, this is why I felt that it was important to see wha Grif can do on his own.


(On the flip side, Dan and Nate deserve some blame too for the draft pics)
 
"LIKE seven feet tall." Pedantic much?

Sort of missed the point, no?

Yep. I missed the point :/ I just meant to point out that he's in the same 6-7 to 6-9 "all-purpose" range that the Warriors seem to like, like Barnes, Green, Durant, Livingston, Looney, Macadoo, McCaw, Thompson, West, Young, Bell and now Omri. That gives them, at the moment, 12 players in that narrow range of height. (Clark, Curry, Iguodala (6'6) are smaller, McGee, Zaza, Jones all taller.).

The Cavs, in comparison, currently only have 7 players in that range (Green, LBJ, RJ, James Jones, Korver, TT and Derrick Williams) 7 players shorter (Calderon, Felder, Irving, Dahntay (6'6), Shumpert, JR, Deron Williams) and 3 taller (Frye, Love, Tavares)
 
There's some good looking rookies this year.
 
There's some good looking rookies this year.

Tatum has looked spectacular in summer league. If he takes off and plays like that in regular season, wow. That'll be a great pickup by BOS.

I wish our team had a "young gun", coming on.
(I'm considering Kyrie established)
 
Tatum has looked spectacular in summer league. If he takes off and plays like that in regular season, wow. That'll be a great pickup by BOS.

I wish our team had a "young gun", coming on.
(I'm considering Kyrie established)
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