Josh Gordon discussion

[The Human Q-Tip]

What's the risk? What's the potential reward? The NFL would be on the side of "we gave this guy every opportunity to get his career on track" regardless of what happens.

But Gordon himself said that people who kept giving him second chances enabled him. So pretty clearly, the downside is that we'd be enabling him again, which would actually make things worse.

 

[SanduskyCav]

But Gordon himself said that people who kept giving him second chances enabled him. So pretty clearly, the downside is that we'd be enabling him again, which would actually make things worse.

So if we didn't give a second chance at a goal he is trying to achieve that is getting back into the NFL, you think that would be better for him? I disagree. If he has truly bettered himself and is on the right path and we block his chance at achieving his goal because we think giving him another chance is "enabling" him I think that would send him spiraling down even faster.

 

[David.]

So if we didn't give a second chance at a goal he is trying to achieve that is getting back into the NFL, you think that would be better for him? I disagree. If he has truly bettered himself and is on the right path and we block his chance at achieving his goal because we think giving him another chance is "enabling" him I think that would send him spiraling down even faster.

Sometimes you gotta lose something you actually value if you're gonna save your life.

NFL is great, if hes trying to get off shit, then its worth enough to lose and the rest of his life is worth getting over it

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So if we didn't give a second chance at a goal he is trying to achieve that is getting back into the NFL, you think that would be better for him? I disagree.

So what was all that about him being enabled by people giving him second chances? Either he meant it, or he didn't.

 

[JDailey23]

Ehhh, is that Greg Little at the 3:11 mark?

 

[Matches]

I think what he was referring to were the people who were helping him game or get around the system. E.g. the Baylor coach who explained to him how to beat the drug tests once he was popped for possession.

 

[SanduskyCav]

Sometimes you gotta lose something you actually value if you're gonna save your life.

NFL is great, if hes trying to get off shit, then its worth enough to lose and the rest of his life is worth getting over it

Are you implying that playing in the NFL is going to make him become an addict again?

 

[David.]

Are you implying that playing in the NFL is going to make him become an addict again?

Addiction is diffeeent for everyone. It could help him stay clean (we haven't seen that evidence) or losing the opportunity could be the sufficient kick in the ass to get him to fix his bs.

Also couldnt be enough.

There's no scientific answer, there are people who respond to different situations differently.

 

[FrontPageNews]

I wonder what would have happened if we never drafted Johnny. Obviously josh had his issues before Johnny but it seemed to amplify once they got together. I wonder if we still hangs out with him.

 

[Pick6]

I wonder what would have happened if we never drafted Johnny. Obviously josh had his issues before Johnny but it seemed to amplify once they got together. I wonder if we still hangs out with him.

Meh. Josh was facing a season long suspension (before being reduced to 10) before Johnny was even drafted.

 

[SanduskyCav]

I wonder what would have happened if we never drafted Johnny. Obviously josh had his issues before Johnny but it seemed to amplify once they got together. I wonder if we still hangs out with him.

From the sounds of his latest video Josh's issues were big enough, just not public/broadcasted, before Johnny.

 

[chrisrich91]

Mary Kay suggested in the article that if he got reinstated he'd have another 4 week suspension waiting for him when he arrives.

That'd be some horseshit considering he's basically coming off like a 40 week suspension.

Although I guess at this point I don't give a shit. Would rather him not accrue a whole season and get closer to RFA.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think what he was referring to were the people who were helping him game or get around the system. E.g. the Baylor coach who explained to him how to beat the drug tests once he was popped for possession.

Look, if he had been clean for an extended period, then perhaps I'd be more willing to assume good faith.

But by his own admission, he's been using shit continuously since high school. And he just got out of rehab. Like, days ago.

I see zero reason to assume that this time is finally the time, after all those other "I really am clean now and have turned myself around" claims, that it is actually true. For what...the week or two he's been out of rehab?

Reinstatement looks a lot like enabling, once again.

 

[Matches]

Enabling is looking the other way when an addict engages in destructive behavior. Giving them money, covering for them, etc.

Hiring an addict for a job isn't enabling. If reinstated he will be subject to rigorous drug testing, and any failure will pretty much be the end of his career. That's not enabling the addict.

 

[Sebastian]

Addiction is diffeeent for everyone. It could help him stay clean (we haven't seen that evidence) or losing the opportunity could be the sufficient kick in the ass to get him to fix his bs.

Also couldnt be enough.

There's no scientific answer, there are people who respond to different situations differently.

Very correct.

Addiction is a medical and psychological issue. It cannot be dismissed as a matter of will power for many people.

Certain genetic predispositions, both mental and physical, can profoundly effect how people deal with substances. Anyone that dogs people for not being able to easily kick something are either not fully aware of what addiction is or are assholes.