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There's no trick to it at all. You are believing your own bs.

You make a conclusion and then support it with evidence, just like you do when a client pays you to formulate bs to support their cause in a court case. You ignore substantive points and go on to make whatever arguments support your cause.

I know exactly how your schtick works. You don't need to explain it to me.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

The same rules of analysis/credibility should be applied to everything we read. Some sources will tend to be more accurate than others generally, but that's pretty useless because it tells you nothing about specific articles. An article in the WaPo may be utter crap, and Brietbart may publish one that is 100%, even if you believe that the WaPo is ore accurate in general.

That's why every article has to be judge on its own merits, regardless of source.
 
It was a real point about Ashkenazis used as a setup for a joke.

Gotcha...

Your point about “blacks” being spread out all over the planet is well taken. It makes perfect sense.

I hope it's fully understood that there is no ethnic group of "Black" people. These folks didn't necessarily mix, and I think sometimes people forget just how massive (land area) the continent of Africa really is given how it looks on using the standard Mercator map projection.

But do you disagree with the theory that slave owners selecting for athletic body types still has an impact on current body types today?

I disagree with it largely, but not entirely because there is some truth that slavery had an effect on African-American DNA. But to assert that American Blacks are radically different due to slavery than other Blacks around the world for the express reason that they were bred that way is simply not sound science, it's ahistorical, and given present-day information, it's simply counterfactual.

It may seem intuitively derived; looking at African-American men compared to African men and thinking "hmm, they seem bigger, more developed;" but without taking into account these folks aren't (1) the same ethnicity, (2) the same socioeconomic class, (3) enjoying the same diet, cultural norms, etc.

Consider, just for a moment, that African people have the highest genetic variance of any people, anywhere. It's just not reasonable to make these kinds of eyeball comparisons; i.e., LeBron James is a big guy, ergo Black people must be xyz -- while that might seem intuitive, in reality, it's simply naivete.

It's also obvious that anyone asking this question isn't realizing the #1 genetic influence on African-American DNA is not the breeding of particular traits, but the massive influx of White European DNA and the significant contribution of Native American DNA; so much so that the average African-American (regardless of skin color) who is at least 2 generations of ancestry in the North is generally only around 3/4th's African and at least 1/5th White European. There is only a 3% variance towards African ancestry as you move to present-day Southern Blacks.

Rape and sexual exploitation had the largest influence on the African-American population; with generally affluent European DNA that was not "bred" to work or be physically superior to some baseline population.

With that said, if we're to look at former slave populations and compare them to Africans, and even among themselves; you do not see generalities along the lines you would expect for a population "bred" for such traits. That is to say, Afro-Caribbean populations and Afro-Brazilian (especially) populations are not equally known for their physical or athletic prowess as it relates to their degree of genetic closeness to former slave populations.

Simply put, these kinds of questions have been asked and answered by geneticists for the past several decades; and while there do exists variations along ethnic lines (obviously), many folks assume those variations are wildly larger than they really are as it relates to genetically causative factors.

Many of the ideas that are often thrown around about topics like this are simply antithetical to modern scientific understanding particularly as it relates to concepts surrounding race - which, again - many people confuse with ethnicity. Moreover, many of the properties being discussed of various ethnicities are NOT actually ethnic qualities at all; but instead are cultural.

For example; not all Asians have higher IQs, in fact, many Asian populations have lower IQs, because most live in poverty. Asian-Americans have higher IQs because more affluent Japanese immigrants skew results for the less affluent, non-Japanese Asian populations. I broke this down, in detail, in the BLM thread. But just looking at this for a moment, if one just looks at Asian IQ over time, the same populations that are testing higher than ever were testing below a standard-deviation or more just 30-40 years ago. That's not genetic mutation at work. That's called socioeconomic progress, and cultural changes to adapt to said progress. That's called millions of children leaving an agrarian lifestyle and going to college.

The exact same can be said of African-Americans and why you see so many in sports. Because, sociologically, Blacks have looked at sports as a vehicle of upward social mobility - with many Black kids thinking of sports as their only way out of an economically depressed and racially oppressed life. Many Black parents will stress sports, particularly basketball and football (and formerly boxing) as a way of, at a minimum, paying for college. Just as many Asian parents will stress academic achievement as a way of getting into college.

What you're seeing is the manifestation of these groups interactions with their society, culture, and the realities facing each group. Sports, music, arts, and other cultural contributions are seen as a means to an end within Black society; just as academic achievement is seen as a means to an end within the Asian population. Both groups are encouraging what they believe to be the most appropriate and most likely mechanism of social upward mobility for their demographic.

What you're not seeing is human genetic evolution playing out in real-time.
 
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I read an article about that the other day. I think in the coming years it's going to be hard for the Left to rationalize support for both the LGBT community and Islam.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.brei...omophobia-becoming-inconvenient-liberals/amp/
I wanna clear this one up, this is i think the position of the left.

It needs reform, and they're working on it (there is progress being made) and they believe that every country etc eventually becomes secular. But for the time being, they are an other, so they're going to stand up for them because they're being hated on.

+ Cultural relativism.
 
Glad to see the debate tactics pushed on this board when people don't really have a response are getting used as their only point.

Hysterical.
 
Ravens matrices. It's basically shape one shape two, what's shape 3?

Or where they give you a shape with dots in place one, rotate the shapr and move the dot, one more time, and then pick the next shape with the dots in the right place

But that's not an I.Q. test, and isn't used to generate the I.Q. scores that have been discussed in here as varying by ethnicity.
 
But that's not an I.Q. test, and isn't used to generate the I.Q. scores that have been discussed in here as varying by ethnicity.
It absolutely is and has been used and pulls up the same result.



Raven's Progressive Matrices (often referred to simply as Raven's Matrices) or RPM is a nonverbal group testtypically used in educational settings. It is usually a 60-item test used in measuring abstract reasoning and regarded as a non-verbal estimate of fluid intelligence.
IQ tests that measure intelligence include:
  • Stanford–Binet Intelligence Scales.
  • Woodcock–Johnson Tests of Cognitive Abilities.
  • Raven's Progressive Matrices.
  • Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.
  • Cattell Culture Fair III.
  • Reynolds Intellectual Assessment Scales.
  • Thurstone's Primary Mental Abilities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15688574

They are specifically used to control for language and there are some ethnicities that historically score low in verbal acuity, so it significantly helps them out here.
 
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I wanna clear this one up, this is i think the position of the left.

It needs reform, and they're working on it (there is progress being made) and they believe that every country etc eventually becomes secular. But for the time being, they are an other, so they're going to stand up for them because they're being hated on.

+ Cultural relativism.

Nah.

The position is that all Muslims aren't bad people, and shouldn't be victimized and blamed as a mass group of people by, largely, a white Republican voter base.

If all of race x isn't at fault for when person a of race x shoots up a school, then Muslims shouldn't be held accountable across the board for the actions of a singular person.

In relation to Islam and LGBT, you can go to the South and get the same reaction of disgust and hatred for a gay person. But somehow, defending Muslim rights as human beings is hypocritical? No.
 
First, where is your evidence of that causative link? You seem to take as a give that there is this consistent historical record, and there isn't. You can look at all sorts of data and actually see black people doing better 75 years ago in many respects than they are today. In other words, there was slavery, then a pretty consistent pattern of improvement in many areas, then a much later turn downward. That does not support slavery or discrimination (which again has generally lessened over time) as the cause of the downturn.

I'm still not sure what the possible alternative is you're proposing. All you've said so far is "choice." Black people are making worse choices now than they were 75 years ago? Why?

And, dare I ask, what are these "many respects" in which black people were doing better 75 years ago?

Second, to the extent black people have created this stigma that "acting white" is bad, academic achievement is not good, success is difficult or impossible in "white" society because of discrimination, and have developed concepts such as CPT, how exactly do you go about undoing/fixing that?

This is the idea behind the whole movement of breaking down stereotypes in American culture. We should highlight successful minorities in fields where they're underrepresented, and we should strive for at least proportional representation of minorities in casting for TV shows, movies, etc. that portray doctors, scientists, etc. We can't undo racial stereotypes with a snap of our fingers, but that kind of thing would be an obvious first step.

There are tons of young black kids who have little or no contact with white people at all, and so no points of comparison to even know if they are being discriminated against.

I don't think this is actually true...I'd be shocked if more than a handful of black kids grow up, even to like age 5, not knowing that white people exist.
 
It absolutely is and has been used and pulls up the same result

Where?

There have been some organizations that have used it as a proxy for I.Q. scores, but there is no generally accepted direct conversion between Raven's matrices and IQ.

More to the point, was the data listed previously for Ashkenazis, and Koreans, etc., based just on scores for Ravens matrices, and nothing else? No. It was specific for IQ, which tests do not consist solely of Raven's matrices.
 
Where?

There have been some organizations that have used it as a proxy for I.Q. scores, but there is no generally accepted direct conversion between Raven's matrices and IQ.

More to the point, was the data listed previously for Ashkenazis, and Koreans, etc., based just on scores for Ravens matrices, and nothing else? No. It was specific for IQ, which tests do not consist solely of Raven's matrices.
I just posted studies, the first one I saw and there are plenty.

Seems like a semantic argument. It tests for abstract reasoning and fluid intelligence, (G - general, robust intelligence), same as iq, and ive posted research that shows it is converted to iq.

All of the tests test the same things with slight variations. They all correlated at about .95. they are all graded based on the percentage of people who get each question right or wrong and you pop out with a relative score.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven's_Progressive_Matrices
 
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Who has the highest IQ in here? I scored 100%.

Doubt anyone beat me.

Got a B+ the first time (87), but I have a strong work ethic so I did bettet on the second one.
 
Who has the highest IQ in here? I scored 100%.

Doubt anyone beat me.

Got a B+ the first time (87), but I have a strong work ethic so I did bettet on the second one.
Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it. Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault
 
Everybody is championing Eminem for calling trump a racist without proof.

Everybody=some celebrities and like one guy in this thread

And LOL at "without proof." No point in diving into that debate again obviously but LOL.

Much like the LGBT community going after people talking about radical Islam after a radical shot up a gay club.

Hmm? I saw people upset that Islam/Muslims in general were being blamed, especially coming from hypocritical right wingers who have preached anti-gay shit for a while now.
 
I'm extremely skeptical about the ability of I.Q tests to exclude completely learned knowledge in their measurement of "intelligence."

You'd be right to be skeptical... It isn't remotely close to being widely accepted that IQ tests are an accurate measure of intelligence; especially not when results across groups are within 1 standard deviation, nor when individual IQ can change simply based on the test that's given and how that test is constructed.
 
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