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Urban said:
Can anyone tell me what was so impressive about Fournette this year?

I get their passing game is awful but taking a closer look at his rushing numbers and they're not all that impressive. Not all that far off from rookie Trent Richardson who got force fed carries every game.

In his 14 games, including the playoff game:

4 games with over 4.0 ypc
-28 carries for 181 yards (6.5 ypc) vs. Pittsburgh. Take away his 90 yd TD and he has 27 carries for 90 yards (3.3 ypc)
-21 carries for 130 yards (6.2 ypc) vs. LA Rams. Take away his 75 yd TD and he has 20 carries for 55 yards (2.8 ypc)

I don't want to take too much away from those runs, because they're literally game breaking / game changing runs but he did very little in those games outside of those 2 plays

6 games under 3.0 ypc
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Now we're taking away long runs..... bro WHAT.

He's explosive. You can't do that bullshit.

I can take away every RB's runs of 20+ and now they have a SHIT YPC as well. The fuck are we doing here.
 
Triplethreat said:
Now we're taking away long runs..... bro WHAT.

He's explosive. You can't do that bullshit.

I can take away every RB's runs of 20+ and now they have a SHIT YPC as well. The fuck are we doing here.
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Did you even read the post? Good God you're awful at this.

Only 4.0 YPC in 4 of his 14 games. How is that good?
 
AZ_ said:
Where someone else is drafted has little to do with the traits of of Saquon Barkley or anyone else.

It's like the people who argue the player drafted at #22 can't be good because it's where the Browns took Johnny Manziel.

There isn't much correlation, just a smaller sample size. To say nothing of the fact that comparing this guy to Zeke and Fournette is a disservice to both players.
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That is not even close to being the same thing...

There's clear different levels of prospects, and their hit rates are being reflected. There's a reason these guys are going in later rounds because they aren't up to the level of talent as the others.

What a shitty comparison.

Another 0/10 for you sir.
 
SanduskyCav said:
When your QB is an absolute shit show and the defense can key on you every play it’s pretty good.
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Rushing for 3+ ypc in only 8 of your 14 games is pretty good?

In the NFL? From the #4 overall pick? His season was much closer to Trent Richardson than Zeke Elliott
 
SanduskyCav said:
When your QB is an absolute shit show and the defense can key on you every play it’s pretty good.
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I wouldnt say Blake was a shit show this year, i would say not quite mediocre.

As a Cleveland fan you know what a shit show looks like.
 
Urban said:
Can anyone tell me what was so impressive about Fournette this year?

I get their passing game is awful but taking a closer look at his rushing numbers and they're not all that impressive. Not all that far off from rookie Trent Richardson who got force fed carries every game.

In his 14 games, including the playoff game:

4 games with over 4.0 ypc
-28 carries for 181 yards (6.5 ypc) vs. Pittsburgh. Take away his 90 yd TD and he has 27 carries for 90 yards (3.3 ypc)
-21 carries for 130 yards (6.2 ypc) vs. LA Rams. Take away his 75 yd TD and he has 20 carries for 55 yards (2.8 ypc)

I don't want to take too much away from those runs, because they're literally game breaking / game changing runs but he did very little in those games outside of those 2 plays

6 games under 3.0 ypc
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I think you have to take into account that he went up against a stacked front almost 17% of the time, which makes him third among RBs in that regard, whereas he ranked 60th in amount of snaps against light fronts. He was on a team with a bad QB and defenses smartly sold out to stop him, daring Bortles to beat them. Sometimes Sir Blake showed up and did, but ultimately the Jags were mostly as good as they were because of their elite defense, not their offense.

And, as I mentioned above (or maybe it was the other thread), Fournette accounted for almost 32% of his team's offense, which was third among RBs. That's an insane number.
 
Jack Brickman said:
I think you have to take into account that he went up against a stacked front almost 17% of the time, which makes him third among RBs in that regard, whereas he ranked 60th in amount of snaps against light fronts. He was on a team with a bad QB and defenses smartly sold out to stop him, daring Bortles to beat them. Sometimes Sir Blake showed up and did, but ultimately the Jags were mostly as good as they were because of their elite defense, not their offense.

And, as I mentioned above (or maybe it was the other thread), Fournette accounted for almost 32% of his team's offense, which was third among RBs. That's an insane number.
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Is % of offense simply % of total yards?

Can you tell me how guys like CJ Anderson, Frank Gore, Jordan Howard, and Hyde stack up? All guys who put up similar rushing numbers on bad passing teams. Hyde until Jimmy G of course, don't expect you to calculate that.
 
Urban said:
Is % of offense simply % of total yards?

Can you tell me how guys like CJ Anderson, Frank Gore, Jordan Howard, and Hyde stack up? All guys who put up similar rushing numbers on bad passing teams. Hyde until Jimmy G of course, don't expect you to calculate that.
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That 32% dominator is the percentage of total team yards and touchdowns that a player assumes. Todd Gurley, for example, was at 40%, and DeAndre Hopkins put up a frankly unrealistic 43%.
 
AZ_ said:
When taking value into account, the two best backs in this draft as it pertains to the Browns would likely be Sony Michel and Rashaad Penny.

Both of those guys have the ability to be the perfect back in this offense.

Either of those guys in Round 2-3 and they've got some serious backfield clout.
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Michel outshined Chubb in explosive plays, but Chubb isn't too far behind his teammate. I'd be happy with either Georgia back.
 
I'm not saying Fournette can't or won't be good, I'm sure he will have a good NFL career.

Just think his rookie year averages are disappointing relative to his high draft position.
 
so i havent compared first round RB stats in a long time, but i remember richardson at 3.6 yards/rush was by far the worst first round rookie running back in some time. Fournette was at 3.9 yards/rush... He may not be historically bad, but still pretty damn bad. Probably top 10 worst yards/rush of a first round rookie running back.

not saying that means he wont turn things around, but its not a good start for him
 
I know there are good backs that the Browns can get later on, and they would probably very productive for us. Carlos Hyde, for that matter, would probably be productive for us. That isn't the issue. Unless you happen upon a candidate for the best QB of all time, you need offensive stars to help your QB or you aren't going deep in the playoffs. Guys that the defense has to plan for, adjust their style for. That's why I'm so high on Barkley. If he lives up to his potential and Gordon stays clean, you could bring in Alex Smith and give him two of the most explosive weapons he's ever played with.
 
Triplethreat said:
Bad take.

0/10.
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I have to agree with AZ_ on this argument and you know if we agree on something all other arguments become invalid! :chuckle:

Honestly with this type of draft class and the assets we have in this draft, Barkley makes no sense to me right now at all when there is starting RBs available in round two. Barkley has the highest upside, but at the same time, doesn't do some things right and we cannot take chances on him with that high of a pick.

Also stop sounding like me when it comes to an argument since you are pulling what I do! :p
 
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