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CavsFan07 said:
I like Butler's game, and like most am weary of his long-term playability/durability after playing for Thibs so many years (history doesn't look positive for previous players playing that extensively for him). Even with that, yes, I would love to have him if he would commit long term.


.... but he's not going to do that. Ever. He's made it clear where he wants to go so we don't need to give up any assets whatsoever to acquire him.
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Assuming he would agree to sign an extension if traded here, what would you give up for him?
 
Mavaliersfan said:
Assuming he would agree to sign an extension if traded here, what would you give up for him?
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Sexton+ ...

If he signs an extension to come here -- you make the deal work, so long as it leaves you with the ability to grab another free agent or trade for another star next season.
 
gourimoko said:
Sexton+ ...

If he signs an extension to come here -- you make the deal work, so long as it leaves you with the ability to grab another free agent or trade for another star next season.
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I would not trade Sexton for butler. Butler is hurt a lot. Has had locker room issues at every stop. You don’t build with a jimmy butler at your core
Besides rest of the team not ready to contend Pass on butler
 
gourimoko said:
Sexton+ ...

If he signs an extension to come here -- you make the deal work, so long as it leaves you with the ability to grab another free agent or trade for another star next season.
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This is a tough one for me. Whether or not you do this trade depends on what you think Sexton will become during the remainder of Love's window. It also depends on how committed the organization is to actually becoming a playoff team in the East.

Assuming that we are committed to being a playoff team this year (I understand why people hate this idea, but I'm intrigued by it), Sexton's entire value right now is based on his future potential. If Sexton ends up being not as good as some of us think, then not trading for Butler would be a MASSIVE mistake. But, if Sexton learns to deal with NBA speed quickly, then I'm not sure I'd trade Sexton for Butler.

Sexton and Cedi would be off the table for me right now. I would only be interested in Butler for future draft picks, and any combination of Hood, Nance, Zizic, Clarkson, and/or expiring contracts. I'm not sure what it would take to make it all work, but I have no interest in getting in a bidding war with Miami.

So, long story short: I like the idea of adding Butler, but I'm not sure I'd trade Cedi or Sexton for him. I might...but I'm not convinced.
 
FWIW, Jimmy Butler is likely a better player than Sexton's most reasonable ceiling 5-7 years from today (likely beyond Love's retirement). If you're getting Butler for 5 years, IMHO it's hard not to consider trading Sexton and just trying to add one more core piece to the team.
 
gourimoko said:
FWIW, Jimmy Butler is likely a better player than Sexton's most reasonable ceiling 5-7 years from today (likely beyond Love's retirement). If you're getting Butler for 5 years, IMHO it's hard not to consider trading Sexton and just trying to add one more core piece to the team.
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IF Butler is actually sold on the idea of playing with Love and Cedi, and if Love really has another 3 or 4 years of peak play left in him...then I think I'd do it.

Altman watched Sexton in summer league, and watches him in practice. And now they've seen him in preseason as well. How well do you think GMs can judge the future potential of their players at this stage? The Cavs' front office has seen him in the gym, and they are able to see him interact with his teammates.

At this stage in Sexton's development, how much does that information help GMs assess the future potential of their players? In other words, have we gained enough additional information since the draft to accurately assess Sexton's future? A good GM probably can. Right?
 
TitleTown said:
IF Butler is actually sold on the idea of playing with Love and Cedi, and if Love really has another 3 or 4 years of peak play left in him...then I think I'd do it.

Altman watched Sexton in summer league, and watches him in practice. And now they've seen him in preseason as well. How well do you think GMs can judge the future potential of their players at this stage? The Cavs' front office has seen him in the gym, and they are able to see him interact with his teammates.

At this stage in Sexton's development, how much does that information help GMs assess the future potential of their players? In other words, have we gained enough additional information since the draft to accurately assess Sexton's future? A good GM probably can. Right?
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I think Sexton projects to be a solid player; but, it's very difficult to put him in that perennial All-Star category. And with that being said, Jimmy Butler is 29, probably has, as you said, 3-4 years of peak level play left in him; and as it is right now, he's a top 3 wing player in the NBA.

With that being said, I don't think there's a general consensus around the league with respect to how to project players; however, I think Sexton's value comes from the fact that he does project generally well, was drafted quite high, he's obviously on his rookie contract, and many teams would be interested in having him.
 
Just for fun, here are Donovan Mitchell's preseason stats from last year:

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and his first five games:

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I'm sure there are even more examples of players starting off their careers red hot and then never amounting to anything. It'll be months at the very least before we start to get a handle on Sexton's potential or lack thereof.
 
Mavaliersfan said:
Assuming he would agree to sign an extension if traded here, what would you give up for him?
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Schwoo, that's a tough question.

Ya know, the more I've thought about this, I've actually changed my mind a bit.

The Cavaliers aren't winning a title this year. We know that. But we have a good young team mixed in with a couple veterans that should lead to a fun/exciting/somewhat drama free season.

If we ship Sexton or Cedi out we clearly are jeopardizing our future and for what.... a title? I don't think Love/Butler is enough for a title either. So what's the actual point? To get a 3-4 seed instead of a 7-8 seed? Why?

Keep the young guys with great work ethics. See what they're capable of. We're 2-3 years away from any type of contention and that's only IF our young guys really progress into special talents (which I'm confident Cedi and Sexton can).
 
Trading any young guy for Butler would be nonsense. Butler is on a win now mode, so both sides doesn't fit each other anyway..
 
Man...Jimmy punked the shit out of these dudes. He got with some third stringers and beat the starters in a scrimmage. If you're KAT how can you let him do that when he tried to get at your girl? And Wiggins and his brother were talking shit and then you let this man walk in and whoop your ass with some third stringers?
 
Jimmy butler is the greatest player of all time.

God I wish we had him last year to fuck those soft asses up.
 
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