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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
I don't understand the hate, negativity and over all feel of people giving up on him. Dude, he's a rookie. Rookies take 2-3 years to become good players. He's shown great flashes of not only productivity but the ability to score the ball. He will become a better passer... He had a great drive and pass to Zizic for a lay up last game. The guy is a work horse. Do you understand that? He's not JR Smith. He WORKS on getting better, that means taking jump shots, working out, doing exercises with the trainers... this guy has the IT factor(When it comes to working out). He was and still is a solid pick.

I think all the Ja Morant talk is dumb, we have a PG, I understand get the best available player but it is not Ja Morant. Our PG slot is full with Sexton/Delly. We need to focus on what is working for the Cavs, and what will work in the future. That is Sexton, Larry Nance Jr, Clarkson(believe it or not[personally I'd love to see him get traded for a 1st round pick, but that doesn't garuntee you get a player better than Clarkson], Delly, Zizic.

Sexton, Zizic and Nance should be getting 40MPG. I don't understand why they're not. Someone tell me. I swear if you say they're not in shape to play 40 MPG I will laugh at you and discount your post because that is BS. 40 minutes of NBA game time is not a lot. These guys are young and can do it.

Sexton needs to take Nance and Zizic aside and run pick and rolls in 2v2 and 3v3 games till the lights shut.

Sexton has gotten better at driving to the hoop and not forcing a stupid shot. He's been pivoting in the paint and kicking it out. If only we had a play maker like Zion!!!! to get that pass and get past his defender for an and 1.

Guys. Please explain your logic on giving up on Sexton. Use all the +/- stats you want. I will still argue with you that he's a very solid pick.

It's the 18/19 Cavs, we are losers, we have nothing going for us, we're not making the playoffs, this is the time to develop young talent. Why on earth would you want to trade Sexton? I guess some people just don't understand basketball and that's ok, I'm here to teach.
 
if we get pick 3 and Zion + RJ are off the board we have to pick Morant. He's clearly better than the rest at this stage imo. We passed on Oladipo because we had Dion, dont do that again.
 
I don't understand the hate, negativity and over all feel of people giving up on him. Dude, he's a rookie. Rookies take 2-3 years to become good players. He's shown great flashes of not only productivity but the ability to score the ball. He will become a better passer... He had a great drive and pass to Zizic for a lay up last game. The guy is a work horse. Do you understand that? He's not JR Smith. He WORKS on getting better, that means taking jump shots, working out, doing exercises with the trainers... this guy has the IT factor(When it comes to working out). He was and still is a solid pick.

I think all the Ja Morant talk is dumb, we have a PG, I understand get the best available player but it is not Ja Morant. Our PG slot is full with Sexton/Delly. We need to focus on what is working for the Cavs, and what will work in the future. That is Sexton, Larry Nance Jr, Clarkson(believe it or not[personally I'd love to see him get traded for a 1st round pick, but that doesn't garuntee you get a player better than Clarkson], Delly, Zizic.

Sexton, Zizic and Nance should be getting 40MPG. I don't understand why they're not. Someone tell me. I swear if you say they're not in shape to play 40 MPG I will laugh at you and discount your post because that is BS. 40 minutes of NBA game time is not a lot. These guys are young and can do it.

Sexton needs to take Nance and Zizic aside and run pick and rolls in 2v2 and 3v3 games till the lights shut.

Sexton has gotten better at driving to the hoop and not forcing a stupid shot. He's been pivoting in the paint and kicking it out. If only we had a play maker like Zion!!!! to get that pass and get past his defender for an and 1.

Guys. Please explain your logic on giving up on Sexton. Use all the +/- stats you want. I will still argue with you that he's a very solid pick.

It's the 18/19 Cavs, we are losers, we have nothing going for us, we're not making the playoffs, this is the time to develop young talent. Why on earth would you want to trade Sexton? I guess some people just don't understand basketball and that's ok, I'm here to teach.

Well, you’d only trade Sexton if you got greater long-term talent in return. But he’s not going anywhere.

I’ve always been worried about Sexton because he’s short (look at the impact Gilgeous-Alexander is having; length matters) and he has a poor feel for the game. Can’t fix the height, and improving his feel for the game, if possible, takes a very, very long time. Some guys are just natural basketball players. He is not. He is a good athlete playing basketball. Doesn’t really use his only strength (speed) to impact the game on either end. He can improve his skills of course and that is why there is still hope for him. He pretty much has to become a great shooter to be an above-average starting PG in the NBA. I’m talking about hitting off-balance midrange shots, which he’ll currently force every once in a while, and it’s not a pretty sight.

And his defense? Again, IQ is poor, and even if he improves his defensive IQ and effort, he’ll still be short. And again, Gilgeous-Alexander has way more defensive potential. Would’ve been a better pick, although I understand the Sexton pick and admire his work ethic and attitude. Bad news is he won’t be a star - Good news is he’ll never be to big for Cleveland.

Also, 40 minutes per game is not a lot? Laugh at me then. 40 mpg wears guys out by the end of a game. And guys not used to a long nba season (rookies) would definitely wear out in the second half of the season. This is not a video game. James Harden leads the league with 37.5 mpg.
 
if we get pick 3 and Zion + RJ are off the board we have to pick Morant. He's clearly better than the rest at this stage imo. We passed on Oladipo because we had Dion, dont do that again.

Trade down. There are a bunch of wings in this draft. Get DeAndre Hunter and someone else
 
if we get pick 3 and Zion + RJ are off the board we have to pick Morant. He's clearly better than the rest at this stage imo. We passed on Oladipo because we had Dion, dont do that again.


agreed 100%.
Top 3: Zion or RJ. If they aren't there... then Morant.
Hell, I might be convinced in taking Morant above RJ. But RJ seems so very can't miss at a position that is so incredibly difficult to staff.
 
Well, you’d only trade Sexton if you got greater long-term talent in return. But he’s not going anywhere.

I’ve always been worried about Sexton because he’s short (look at the impact Gilgeous-Alexander is having; length matters) and he has a poor feel for the game. Can’t fix the height, and improving his feel for the game, if possible, takes a very, very long time. Some guys are just natural basketball players. He is not. He is a good athlete playing basketball. Doesn’t really use his only strength (speed) to impact the game on either end. He can improve his skills of course and that is why there is still hope for him. He pretty much has to become a great shooter to be an above-average starting PG in the NBA. I’m talking about hitting off-balance midrange shots, which he’ll currently force every once in a while, and it’s not a pretty sight.

And his defense? Again, IQ is poor, and even if he improves his defensive IQ and effort, he’ll still be short. And again, Gilgeous-Alexander has way more defensive potential. Would’ve been a better pick, although I understand the Sexton pick and admire his work ethic and attitude. Bad news is he won’t be a star - Good news is he’ll never be to big for Cleveland.

Also, 40 minutes per game is not a lot? Laugh at me then. 40 mpg wears guys out by the end of a game. And guys not used to a long nba season (rookies) would definitely wear out in the second half of the season. This is not a
video game. James Harden leads the league with 37.5 mpg.

Kyrie Irving is 6'3. So is Sexton. Kyle Lowry is 6'1. Lowry is #2 in real defensive plus/minus. #1 is Marcus Smart, 6'4. Tyus Jones, 6'2, is 5th. Chris Paul, only 6 feet, is fourth and has generally been considered a solid defender. Sexton is recorded as 6'3. I get that he's a about 6'2 with shoes in reality, but there's a lot of fudging of the heights of many NBA players.

Feel for the game is legit. Basketball IQ is legit.

Alexander is 64th in Real Defensive Plus/Minus. Matthew Dellavedova ranks higher.

Sexton is 97th, dead last, just behind Trae Young, Jordan Clarkson, and Spencer Dinwiddie.

De'Aaron Fox (also 6'3 - so another guy that's too short) is 23rd this year and positive on defense. Last year he was 75th.

Maybe things won't work out with Sexton, but look at the leap Fox took with heard work and good coaching. He was Isaiah Thomas level bad defensively last year. This year he is average at least - no longer a major leak in the D.

Sexton is far from short. He's short if you want to move him the to 2 and there are legit concerns about his assists, etc. No agreement that he needs development. He also is not scared of hard work. We need the proper coaches and mentors around him in the offseason so the Cavs can do everything in their power for him to become De'Aaron Fox 2.0. That will take some work, but he has the tools.

He also has a wingspan that is about on par with Fox. 6'7.25" (as measured at combine) and it may have gotten a bit longer since he's still growing a bit.

Also should be noted that Sexton has a longer wingspan than:

Kyle Lowry
Kyrie Irving
Steph Curry
Chris Paul
Trae Young
Mike Conley
Tony Parker

If Sexton doesn't have the measurables to play, neither did they. None of those guys had a wingspan above 6'4. Sexton has 3 inches on them and an 8'2.5" standing reach. Kyrie Irving's standing reach is 8'2". Fox is slightly better at 8'4".

The arguments on IQ, seasoning, etc are fine. Height is a BS argument on Sexton. He has the size, reach, and wingspan that matches or exceeds some of the best at the position. He has the physical tools and work ethic to succeed. Let's see if he can put it all together.
 
Kyrie Irving is 6'3. So is Sexton. Kyle Lowry is 6'1. Lowry is #2 in real defensive plus/minus. #1 is Marcus Smart, 6'4. Tyus Jones, 6'2, is 5th. Chris Paul, only 6 feet, is fourth and has generally been considered a solid defender. Sexton is recorded as 6'3. I get that he's a about 6'2 with shoes in reality, but there's a lot of fudging of the heights of many NBA players.

Feel for the game is legit. Basketball IQ is legit.

Alexander is 64th in Real Defensive Plus/Minus. Matthew Dellavedova ranks higher.

Sexton is 97th, dead last, just behind Trae Young, Jordan Clarkson, and Spencer Dinwiddie.

De'Aaron Fox (also 6'3 - so another guy that's too short) is 23rd this year and positive on defense. Last year he was 75th.

Maybe things won't work out with Sexton, but look at the leap Fox took with heard work and good coaching. He was Isaiah Thomas level bad defensively last year. This year he is average at least - no longer a major leak in the D.

Sexton is far from short. He's short if you want to move him the to 2 and there are legit concerns about his assists, etc. No agreement that he needs development. He also is not scared of hard work. We need the proper coaches and mentors around him in the offseason so the Cavs can do everything in their power for him to become De'Aaron Fox 2.0. That will take some work, but he has the tools.

He also has a wingspan that is about on par with Fox. 6'7.25" (as measured at combine) and it may have gotten a bit longer since he's still growing a bit.

Also should be noted that Sexton has a longer wingspan than:

Kyle Lowry
Kyrie Irving
Steph Curry
Chris Paul
Trae Young
Mike Conley
Tony Parker

If Sexton doesn't have the measurables to play, neither did they. None of those guys had a wingspan above 6'4. Sexton has 3 inches on them and an 8'2.5" standing reach. Kyrie Irving's standing reach is 8'2". Fox is slightly better at 8'4".

The arguments on IQ, seasoning, etc are fine. Height is a BS argument on Sexton. He has the size, reach, and wingspan that matches or exceeds some of the best at the position. He has the physical tools and work ethic to succeed. Let's see if he can put it all together.

Nice analysis.

IT and his tiny size aside, the better defenders seem to be more solidly built. Westbrook and Lowry are both tanks

One thing I see from Sexton defensively is a lack of physicality, which is probably exacerbated by his comparatively slight frame. But that can be improved significantly if he's willing to put in the (multiple) offseason work in the weight room. I suspect he is, but that's also going to require a coaching staff willing to push him in that direction.
 
Nice analysis.

IT and his tiny size aside, the better defenders seem to be more solidly built. Westbrook and Lowry are both tanks

One thing I see from Sexton defensively is a lack of physicality, which is probably exacerbated by his comparatively slight frame. But that can be improved significantly if he's willing to put in the (multiple) offseason work in the weight room. I suspect he is, but that's also going to require a coaching staff willing to push him in that direction.

I agree. And building out that way usually comes after the frame is developed. He definitely needs to add muscle, but his frame can support that. They need to be sure he can build towards that while maintaining flexibility and speed.

The only major element of his game that I'm concerned about him not being able to overcome are the assists - though that has gone up each month. It was 2.7 per game in November and up to 3.1 in January. If that pace continues he'd be at 3.7 in April. It's been consistent over two months, so we'll see.

Lowry progressed from 3.5 assists per game with meaningful minutes to 6.5+. And he was not much of assist guy at Villanova. It took a few years for him to really get that part of his game down. It took several years for Lowry to emerge. I think Sexton could do it faster if things work out, but I suspect major gains cannot be expected until Year 3.

And that may be for the best. The hope is Zion this year and another Top Ten next year. Add in some other picks, a bit of free agency money, etc and Year 3 of Sexton is where you hope to make a push towards playoffs if you get the right staff and system in place.
 
agreed 100%.
Top 3: Zion or RJ. If they aren't there... then Morant.
Hell, I might be convinced in taking Morant above RJ. But RJ seems so very can't miss at a position that is so incredibly difficult to staff.

I wouldn't take Morant top 5. Hes not an elite 3 point shooter. He has massive turnover issues in a shit conference. He's putting up exciting numbers against bad competition. I would much prefer one of the wings available this year then another PG who won't be elite at the NBA level.

Morant has greater upside then Sexton sure. But him producing against bad teams ain't convincing me to draft him top 5. He has massive turnover issues and isn't an elite shooter. Doesn't sound like a top 5 pick to me. People who see the eye dropping numbers are likely impressed but hes just tearing up weak competition.
 
I wouldn't take Morant top 5. Hes not an elite 3 point shooter. He has massive turnover issues in a shit conference. He's putting up exciting numbers against bad competition. I would much prefer one of the wings available this year then another PG who won't be elite at the NBA level.

Morant has greater upside then Sexton sure. But him producing against bad teams ain't convincing me to draft him top 5. He has massive turnover issues and isn't an elite shooter. Doesn't sound like a top 5 pick to me. People who see the eye dropping numbers are likely impressed but hes just tearing up weak competition.

Sexton probably had a better year last year at a better school as well. Most of their weaknesses are the same.

You have to trade down if you get 3. Get Hunter or Culver or Kevin Porter Jr or Somebody and another asset.
 
Trade down. There are a bunch of wings in this draft. Get DeAndre Hunter and someone else

I've started doing a list based on my own criteria so others' mileage may vary but Hunter checks all of the boxes for me.
 
I've started doing a list based on my own criteria so others' mileage may vary but Hunter checks all of the boxes for me.

He's awesome, probably a high level roleplayer. Obviously it would be nice to get a star or superstar, but after 2 the odds are super reduced. If we get 3, I'd pass on Ja, take a guy like Culver or Hunter and whatever other asset I can get and try again in a year.

Ja is possibly better than Sexton, but they have a lot of the same weaknesses.
 

I think and a lot of people agree that 4-10 are all in the same tier essentially. If we don't get 1 or 2 or more specifically Zion or Barrett, you trade down and pick up additional assets. It's fine to disagree, but I don't believe the Morant hype and I don't think there is a clear 3rd player in this draft. Trade down and get an extra pick and swing for the fences on one and take a quality player with the other.
 

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