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2017 Browns Regular Season

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He's also only played on the outside in college and the nfl so far. Just because he's not 6'3 doesn't mean he can't play outside.
 
Chris said:
Naturally, he made a huge drop in crunch time though.
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That was a bad ball. If Kizer leads him Coleman gets killed. He knew that so he threw it a little behind him. Ball placement was horrible. It was like one of Higgins drops earlier in the game. People were upset and it will go down as a drop but Higgins was wide open and Kizer threw it low and Higgins had to stop running and drop down to catch that one. He never hits his receivers in stride. Even on the big catch Coleman had over the middle the ball was really low.
 
Los216 said:
That was a bad ball. If Kizer leads him Coleman gets killed. He knew that so he threw it a little behind him. Ball placement was horrible. It was like one of Higgins drops earlier in the game. People were upset and it will go down as a drop but Higgins was wide open and Kizer threw it low and Higgins had to stop running and drop down to catch that one. He never hits his receivers in stride. Even on the big catch Coleman had over the middle the ball was really low.
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Well true, we've established Kizer is dreadful.
 
Pick6 said:
Yikes. I was holding out hope that he would look different once Gordon/Coleman are on the field together, but its clear the lack of talent at WR isn't the biggest issue as he has made many misreads like this so far.
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And look how clean that pocket is. He does a horrible job selling the run. I'm telling you he makes his decisions on where he's going with the ball pre snap and he just sticks to that. This was a really good play call by Hue. It's designed to take advantage of Kizer's strong arm. He never even looked at Britt. Kessler doesn't have the arm to make that throw to Britt so we're stuck. Hogan can probably make that throw but Kizer has the arm to make it. Should've been a TD.
 
Los216 said:
Britt was wiiiide open for a TD here but Kizer locked in on Coleman and never looked at him.

View: https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/933068741830696960
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I've watched every single play of this season on the All-22 and can definitively say that guys get open.

These wide receivers and tight ends might not have that crazy DeAndre Hopkins/Odell Beckham/Antonio Brown catch radius (aka the ability to make catches on not perfectly thrown balls), but they get enough separation to be more effective than this offense has been.
 
CBBI said:
I've watched every single play of this season on the All-22 and can definitively say that guys get open.

These wide receivers and tight ends might not have that crazy DeAndre Hopkins/Odell Beckham/Antonio Brown catch radius (aka the ability to make catches on not perfectly thrown balls), but they get enough separation to be more effective than this offense has been.
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Obviously Antonio Brown has proven his metrics wrong, but coming into the league his catch radius was a pretty godawful 18th percentile. His only above average metric was his agility, and even that was only 55th percentile. Just goes to show that sometimes guys drastically overachieve their profile, just like a lot of guys drastically underachieve it. Certainly hasn't hurt that he's had a top ten QB throwing to him for basically his entire career, obviously. He's been a lot less effective when Ben has missed games, though, so that certainly plays a factor. Regardless, Brown certainly wasn't a "can't miss" prospect coming into the league. There's a reason he was drafted in the sixth round, and it wasn't because every team was incompetent.

Hopkins was only 50th percentile catch radius, by the way, although he obviously benefits from being a bigger target with a 63rd percentile height-adjusted speed score. Hopkins also had a breakout age of 18.2, which is 99th percentile, which tends to signify that he was a special player.

Beckham, on the other hand, actually did profile out to have an elite catch radius. He was 95th percentile, and also had fantastic agility, speed, and burst.

Worth noting that Coleman has a 92nd percentile catch radius and 94th percentile burst. He doesn't have an agility score listed on the site I'm using, but I'd imagine it's above the 50th percentile, because all his other metrics are.
 
Phills14 said:
The problem is he hasn't been able to prove he can take the beating of a post thanksgiving flag football game let alone the beating he'll get from the slot in the NFL.
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He has the quick burst to be a slot receiver, but played his entire college and pro career so far on the outside. I think that is so he can protect his slight frame going out of bounds. The Browns definitely need a size outside receiver. I don't expect much more out of Gordon than a zone busting deep route specialist.

Anthony Miller of Memphis looks like the best slot receiver in the draft. He is a Beletnikoff finalist, production has been crazy.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Anthony Miller of Memphis looks like the best slot receiver in the draft. He is a Beletnikoff finalist, production has been crazy.
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The Biletnikoff list is pretty impressive.

Since 2003, you've only had one guy who did nothing in the NFL.

I don't count Justin Blackmon, since he clearly had NFL talent but washed out due to being an alcoholic. Also doesn't count Westbrook since he just played his first game. Bit too early to judge him one way or the other.

Most of those guys have gone on to be either stars or very productive receivers.
 
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