#185 - Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida

[sportscoach]

Honestly Brantley isn't getting a second chance at the moment since he never messed up his first chance in the first place. I don't get people who are saying this is his second chance when he was accused of wrong doing protecting himself. This society overall is loosing some of its morals in the wrong way.

 

[Chris]

Honestly Brantley isn't getting a second chance at the moment since he never messed up his first chance in the first place. I don't get people who are saying this is his second chance when he was accused of wrong doing protecting himself. This society overall is loosing some of its morals in the wrong way.

Correct. He did nothing wrong from what we know, so the term "second chance" does not apply. As Wiz said earlier.

I know how difficult it is for certain individuals to accept this fact, however.

 

[sportscoach]

Correct. He did nothing wrong from what we know, so the term "second chance" does not apply. As Wiz said earlier.

I know how difficult it is for certain individuals to accept this fact, however.

We may have gotten the biggest steal in this draft in Brantley is he lives up to his day two grade. Our DLine is gonna be young, but so full of talent.

 

[Soda]

We may have gotten the biggest steal in this draft in Brantley is he lives up to his day two grade. Our DLine is gonna be young, but so full of talent.

If Gregg Williams can get Brantley to put effort in through the whistle, as opposed to only at the LOS, then he could definitely pay big dividends. Wouldn't say he's the biggest steal yet.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

This society overall is loosing some of its morals in the wrong way.

Excellent, if unintended, double-entendre.

 

[AZ_]

I was actually just asking you a question and I was genuinely frustrated that you weren't being clear on your thoughts. If this post expresses your opinion on the issue...sure, I think we agree. The evidence we do have points to him not being guilty of anything- hence, if you read it, the contents of the press release.

Yet your earlier posts seem to indicate you thought Brantley was still guilty of something despite what the press release said. As if you somehow knew more than the rest of us. You seem to have softened on that, so, again, we agree.

Look, I get it.

Me repeatedly saying that there isn't enough evidence to know what happened but that I'm hopeful it's not true can be confusing.

 

[Chris]

Look, I get it.

Me repeatedly saying that there isn't enough evidence to know what happened but that I'm hopeful it's not true can be confusing.

Those heels must be blistering up at this point.

 

[Matches]

The D-line and O-lines are the theoretical strengths of the team, for different reasons.

The D-line as a unit seems deep. There's lot of names and early round investments in that list of guys. The fact that we are presuming Brantley is actually as good as a 2nd round pick, that Mr. Ogunjobi is more than a weight room freak, etc, means that the Dl strength and depth is theoretical.

Someone said the OL might have a word about the defense being the best unit, but our center and right guard have been available for less than 2/3rds of their careers, due to injury. Right tackle is a huge question mark, and let's not forget that a lot of times an offensive line only looks as good as the quarterback behind it.

On Brantley: folks, there are liars in this world and what that means is it's not even worth having a take of any warmth level on this kind of stuff, ever.

We all know that a drunken person will do a lot of regretful things and say things that are blatantly untrue. This effect seems to be enhanced when one is surrounded by one's drunken friends. Shit can escalate, QUICKLY, and it is scary. Unfortunately, this means the mantra of "always believe the female victim" can lead to mistakes that cost the falsely accused plenty in time, money, and reputation, and cause people who like to bleat on the Internet to look like idiots.

On the other hand, police who are not on the scene can never know the truth of what happened, but must make their best guess based on the information they gather, usually from witnesses whose recollections are highly unreliable even in the best of circumstances. So-called "neutral" witnesses may know just as well as the so-called "gold-digging" woman of a player's potential financial status and can easily be 'persuaded' to tell investigators that the player did nothing wrong. So while it may make you feel good to call this particular woman a "bitch" based on what's been released, I'm not sure how that's at all helpful, ever.



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[Chris]

Nothing anyone says on a sports forum is "helpful," it's just people talking having a good time.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Honestly Brantley isn't getting a second chance at the moment since he never messed up his first chance in the first place. I don't get people who are saying this is his second chance when he was accused of wrong doing protecting himself. This society overall is loosing some of its morals in the wrong way.

The original intent of mentioning caution going forward, first brought up by Wuck and I, never said he did anything wrong originally. However, he has been in the news in connection to what can be best described as a "political football". Additional conflicts with women from this point on will gather attention, and it's because the media has violent behavior of football players in it's crosshairs.

 

[sportscoach]

There is enough evidence by the police to say, Brantley didn't do anything that was truly wrong in the eyes of the evidence that they received.

@AZ_ you did kind of condone the guy before all the evidence was out to us even though someone posted the police report which actually put the woman in a bad light. Honestly if someone is hitting you, you have the right to protect yourself and it sounds like that's what he did so he never actually did anything wrong and shouldn't be accused of it until the evidence shows otherwise.

The original intent of mentioning caution going forward, first brought up by Wuck and I, never said he did anything wrong originally. However, he has been in the news in connection to what can be best described as a "political football". Additional conflicts with women from this point on will gather attention, and it's because the media has violent behavior of football players in it's crosshairs.

The media also puts any incident like this in the media before anything else and it's the same way with the media in general. If something will create ratings then it's first put into the media without a second thought of the truthfulness of it. I always wait until all the information is out until one should make a judgement on someone

 

[Lee]

You are missing the point.

I don't have an issue with Mr. Brantley defending himself if he indeed was attacked. But it's this quote:

"You missed the part where she has a vag, thus we must automatically assume her as the victim, because of some "weaker sex" mumbo jumbo that totally contradicts the outcry for equality we hear from the same crowd on a daily basis."

Just because one woman may or may not have started this, emellished... who knows. But to then someone make the leap that we shouldn't support equality? She was assumed to be the victim since she filed the report. That doesn't mean that we should not advocate equality. And that is all I am going to say about this. Go Browns.

She was not assumed to be the victim

Initially Brantly was the victim and treated as such. He declined to pursue charges.

Bitch sobers up, then she goes and files victim papers. Zero evidence.

The police and court then have a legal obligation to investigate and file initial charges.

I have as much a problem with a Bitch filing false charges as I do if Brantly punched her. This is a series issue and we dont need women trying to take financial advantage of an innocent athlete.

So yeah, fuck her, she wasn't hurt, she started it, and she was completely acting like a Ho. Brantley;s reputation is still harmed and for nothing.

 

[buzzdog]

For anyone who actually bothered to read the final clarification report from the police, there are a number of things that stand out.

1) The female involved was extremely intoxicated.
2) All her friends were also very intoxicated but the so-called victim was in worse shape than her friends.
3) Brantley was sitting there, sober, waiting to give his female friend a ride home and the so-called victim and her friends completely instigated this.
4) The so-called victim was the one who initiated violence, going after Brantley while he was trying to walk away.
5) Brantley by his own admission made contact with the so-called victim in an attempt to "get her out of his space", which is 100% within his rights in FLA.
6) The so-called victim was too drunk to remember what happened or to give a believable or verifiable version of her story.
7) The stories of the so-called victim's friends were not consistent, did not match up.
8) The story Brantley gave from the beginning matched what eye witnessed said including at least one witness who was otherwise uninvolved and did not know Brantley. The other statements that agreed with Brantley's version was from people who knew him.
9) The so-called injuries to the so-called victim appear to have been greatly exaggerated if there even were any injuries at all. The victim was not "knocked out". There is video of her and her friends walking away shortly after the incident. There was no medical help requested or called.
10)Brantley was sober and wasn't out partying that night.
11) In the video of the females walking away one of them apologizes to either Brantley or his friends.
12) The attorney for the so-called victim tried to get Brantley to pay her a cash settlement in the days after it happened which was emphatically rejected by Brantley and his attorney.

Add to that - Brantley knew it was a few weeks before the NFL draft.

How on earth could anyone say Brantley did anything wrong that night? This was not "inconclusive proof" or anything remotely in that universe. This was clearly an extremely intoxicated female and her intoxicated friends stirring up shit then trying to get paid when she found out he was about to enter the NFL.Nothing more, nothing less.

If anything Brantley should sue her for extortion but no doubt he just wants this all behind him. As has been mentioned it has already cost him millions.

For all I know Brantley could be a POS or whatever but he clearly wasn't on that night, he was the only victim.

The Browns benefited greatly from this and good for them. I hope it all works out for Brantley and it will as long as he does his part. In this matter he does not need a second chance, he should get an apology.

He won't get paid what his probable worth is until his second contract. He'll never make up the money he lost that night.

 

[Chris]

For anyone who actually bothered to read the final clarification report from the police, there are a number of things that stand out.

1) The female involved was extremely intoxicated.
2) All her friends were also very intoxicated but the so-called victim was in worse shape than her friends.
3) Brantley was sitting there, sober, waiting to give his female friend a ride home and the so-called victim and her friends completely instigated this.
4) The so-called victim was the one who initiated violence, going after Brantley while he was trying to walk away.
5) Brantley by his own admission made contact with the so-called victim in an attempt to "get her out of his space", which is 100% within his rights in FLA.
6) The so-called victim was too drunk to remember what happened or to give a believable or verifiable version of her story.
7) The stories of the so-called victim's friends were not consistent, did not match up.
8) The story Brantley gave from the beginning matched what eye witnessed said including at least one witness who was otherwise uninvolved and did not know Brantley. The other statements that agreed with Brantley's version was from people who knew him.
9) The so-called injuries to the so-called victim appear to have been greatly exaggerated if there even were any injuries at all. The victim was not "knocked out". There is video of her and her friends walking away shortly after the incident. There was no medical help requested or called.
10)Brantley was sober and wasn't out partying that night.
11) In the video of the females walking away one of them apologizes to either Brantley or his friends.
12) The attorney for the so-called victim tried to get Brantley to pay her a cash settlement in the days after it happened which was emphatically rejected by Brantley and his attorney.

Add to that - Brantley knew it was a few weeks before the NFL draft.

How on earth could anyone say Brantley did anything wrong that night? This was not "inconclusive proof" or anything remotely in that universe. This was clearly an extremely intoxicated female and her intoxicated friends stirring up shit then trying to get paid when she found out he was about to enter the NFL.Nothing more, nothing less.

If anything Brantley should sue her for extortion but no doubt he just wants this all behind him. As has been mentioned it has already cost him millions.

For all I know Brantley could be a POS or whatever but he clearly wasn't on that night, he was the only victim.

The Browns benefited greatly from this and good for them. I hope it all works out for Brantley and it will as long as he does his part. In this matter he does not need a second chance, he should get an apology.

He won't get paid what his probable worth is until his second contract. He'll never make up the money he lost that night.

All I want to know is was she hot?

 

[buzzdog]

All I want to know is was she hot?

Apparently not hot enough for Brantley to ditch the girl he went to give a ride to.