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2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'OSU Basketball' started by SixPACK, May 17, 2016.

  1. D-Wreck

    D-Wreck 3 and D wing

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    We'll see how those guys do once they actually start playing elsewhere. Look at how good Jordan Sibert looked at Dayton after transferring. He looked like a bust at OSU.

    Failing to retain recruits is just as bad as not getting them at all, and it raises red flags for future classes. It's no wonder that was our last class in the top 35.

    For me, there needs to be a change at the top if OSU wants to get better. Matta is a sinking ship.
     
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  2. Kbiz8288

    Kbiz8288 Situational Showstopper

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    Why the hate for Matta though? Just based on recent team performance?
     
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    D-Wreck 3 and D wing

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    To be fair, I didn't think he was doing a good job even during the Sullinger years.

    I don't think he's be a good coach or recruiter for quite a few years. His health has factored into that, but in the end it doesn't really matter why he hasn't gotten the job done. It just matters that he hasn't gotten it done. Reminds me a lot of Rick Barnes at Texas. He did well enough to stay off the hot seat for a lot of years, but eventually you just need to cut ties.
     
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    Kbiz8288 Situational Showstopper

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    I agree that health is the main factor in our decline unfortunately...he use to be much more active in practices...his nerve issue has been a major thing to overcome...perhaps he is unable to do it. I can't write him off yet. He made our program nationally relevant, giving us an incredible stretch. Comparing him to Rick Barnes is a bit flawed, IMO. People are quick to forget that Thad has one of the best winning percentages of all time. The only active coaches ahead of him are Williams, Calipari, and Coach K.

    I think one big factor which has hindered our program is the one-and-done system. If you have 1-2 down years in a row, you're not going to attract the top recruits in this day and age. You must stay relevant year in and year out, which seems like an impossible task.

    Still have faith we can turn it around. If we don't this year, Thad's leash will be shortened but I think it's a little early to grab the pitchforks already.
     
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    D-Wreck 3 and D wing

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    Bill Self has a better winning % too. The difference is that those guys are all still winning right now. Matta has been trending down. His recruiting has been below OSU standards, his player development has been lacking, and his X's and O's appear outdated on both ends.

    Greg Oden made our program nationally relevant, and he was coming with or without Matta. Now, Thad did a great job with that group, and overachieved big time the year before Oden, so I'll give him credit for that. The last 3-4 years he has done a poor job though, and that's all that really matters.

    I think they should have "encouraged him to retire" after last year. Rick Barnes won a ton of games, too (402-180, .691), and prior to his last 4 garbage years he was even better (342-123, .735), which is really similar to Matta's record (327-110, .748) right now.

    I also don't think you can blame the one and done system when other programs are finding ways to do well year in and year out.
     
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    redscoon NBA Starter

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    Final nails going into the coffin for Matta. Program continues to slip. Can't have this many upperclassmen that have not improved a bit since they enrolled.

    He's done some great thing during his tenure, but this can't continue.
     
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    It was time a couple years ago. Any longer and we're getting into Bowden territory.
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    Yeah.

    It's about that time.
     
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  10. SixPACK

    SixPACK Bring back the Elf!

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    I think I saw Lyle and others were at the game, too.

    We are going through dark times right now. Just have to keep pressing along.

    We can't complain, really. We do have football.
     
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    He supposedly got himself under 300 lbs heading into this season, but I wouldn't get too excited about him unless he can drop another 20-30 lbs.
     

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