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Nobody wants to admit it but Erving didn't look bad against the Steelers either. One of them will do the job well enough.

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Nobody wants to admit it but Erving didn't look bad against the Steelers either. One of them will do the job well enough.


If you are talking about the last game, didn't the Steelers sit basically all their main starters, at least high profile guys?

Didn't they basically squad the Dallas Cowboys from the Little Giants? And shit, they could probably get by Erving.
 
If you are talking about the last game, didn't the Steelers sit basically all their main starters, at least high profile guys?

Didn't they basically squad the Dallas Cowboys from the Little Giants? And shit, they could probably get by Erving.
They rested Ben, Brown, and Bell mostly. Key guy on defense was Harrison who rushes the LT side. Players like Shazier and Dupree were full go. If you don't want to count that game for whatever reason then throw out Coleman's evaluation too.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/01/steelers-vs-browns-player-snap-counts-week-17-2/
 
Nobody wants to admit it but Erving didn't look bad against the Steelers either. One of them will do the job well enough.

I absolutely want admit this, that is why i dont want to cut him just yet. He played RT at an all american level in college, I know the staff knows this and is willing to keep him on that rookie contract to see if he has any value there.

Its worth a shot, we have 3 players that could make it.
 
People forget how highly rated Shon Coleman was at this point last year because of his injury. He received a draft grade of 5.84 in his NFL.com draft profile, which would be the equivalent of Pat Elfein's grade this year. If Coleman were in this draft class, his draft grade would put him at the 4th best tackle behind Ramczyk, Bolles, and Robinson.
 
It is kind of crazy that Coleman is already 25 1/2 years old. Hopefully he can stay healthy, think he's the final piece to the OL
 
It is kind of crazy that Coleman is already 25 1/2 years old. Hopefully he can stay healthy, think he's the final piece to the OL

Man I thought you were talking about Corey for a half of a second.
 
People forget how highly rated Shon Coleman was at this point last year because of his injury. He received a draft grade of 5.84 in his NFL.com draft profile, which would be the equivalent of Pat Elfein's grade this year. If Coleman were in this draft class, his draft grade would put him at the 4th best tackle behind Ramczyk, Bolles, and Robinson.

After signing Zeitler and Tretter and picking up Martin, we don't really have to draft someone on the OLine in the draft. I figured guys that we have like Coleman, Erving and whoever else we end up bringing in/already have, can compete for that RT spot and that would really solidify our line since those guys have talent and hopefully the competition will bring it out of them. This is also Ervings last chance to really start in the NFL, so either he shows up or he is likely done
 
People forget how highly rated Shon Coleman was at this point last year because of his injury. He received a draft grade of 5.84 in his NFL.com draft profile, which would be the equivalent of Pat Elfein's grade this year. If Coleman were in this draft class, his draft grade would put him at the 4th best tackle behind Ramczyk, Bolles, and Robinson.

I completely agree. Shon Coleman was/is clearly a guy that our organization has high hopes for at right tackle, and I would assume it's his job this offseason to win/lose. Now that he's had a full year working with our NFL coaches on technique, specifically in pass-pro, I'd hope we (as fans) don't forget the hope we should have in him.

Just to add, here's the write-up from NFL.com last year on Coleman:
From NFL.com Draft Profile:

OVERVIEW

Many prospects in this draft class have faced adversity, but few have looked cancer in the eye and beaten it. In the spring of 2010, Coleman was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Over the next two-plus years, the top 10 offensive tackle national recruit worked at St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital (located in his hometown of Memphis) to treat and defeat the disease. Coleman was finally cleared to play in the spring of 2012 and redshirted in the fall to get back into football shape. The following year he completed the comeback by playing six games as the backup to 2014 NFL Draft No. 2 overall selection Greg Robinson at left tackle. The past two seasons, Coleman has held down the blind side spot, starting every game and receiving second team All-SEC honors from league coaches. Casual college football fans and NFL scouts alike can see his frame and excellent length and agility, but should be more impressed by the mental toughness he’s shown over the past few years.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS
Very long and gets maximizing disruption from arm length. Above average play strength with powerful upper body. Extremely physical with backpack full of nasty with him. Drive blocker who uproots defenders and creates space. Latches onto defenders with big, strong hands. Gets chippy as run blocker and looks for aggressive finish. Pass sets are generally balanced with decent slide to the edge and ready hands. Has ability to redirect inside against stunts. Very heavy hands. Uses his punch as a measure of force and intimidation. Fires his hands from inside his frame and lands with proper placement. Able to play in space. Relatively smooth climbs to second level and mirrors oncoming traffic looking to engage. Has played on left and right side. Held his own against Myles Garrett from Texas A&M losing badly just once on inside spin move.

WEAKNESSES
Base will get too wide hindering balance. Leans into contact in pass sets and consistently plays with weight too far forward. Feet deaden when punching, opening door around the corner. Inconsistent footwork in general. Lunges at rushers trying to turn corner rather than sliding feet into position. Has habit of leading with head down and will miss run targets at times. Got away with holding in college. Doesn't bring feet thru contact in run game and has trouble sustaining without mauling. Needs hands to control defender rather than just punish. Will turn 25 as a rookie after sitting out two years overcoming a leukemia diagnosis in 2010.

DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 2

SOURCES TELL US "I spoke with a scout who was complaining about Coleman not being able to move that well. I have no idea what he's looking at. He is a little stiff in space, but we aren't drafting tackles based on second-level blocking and Coleman has good movement when he's kicking out the edge in pass protection." -- AFC offensive line coach

NFL COMPARISON
Ereck Flowers

BOTTOM LINE
Coleman's strengths and weaknesses are strikingly similar to those of former Auburn left tackle Greg Robinson, but Coleman lacks the same level of athleticism. Coleman uses his length and redirect strength to overcome some of his lunging and waist-bending, but those issues will be highlighted against NFL edge rushers. Coleman is a long, talented run blocker who could garner early round attention at either tackle position if NFL teams are okay with their deep dive into his medicals.
 
After signing Zeitler and Tretter and picking up Martin, we don't really have to draft someone on the OLine in the draft. I figured guys that we have like Coleman, Erving and whoever else we end up bringing in/already have, can compete for that RT spot and that would really solidify our line since those guys have talent and hopefully the competition will bring it out of them. This is also Ervings last chance to really start in the NFL, so either he shows up or he is likely done
I'm a believer that you always have to take OL and DL in the draft, even if not a "need." This is especially true when you have as many picks as we do. The only thing that varies is where you pick them. Quite simply, you find significantly more starters and talented depth in the later rounds for slobs versus other positions--guys that can stay on rosters for years. Besides, real football is grown from winning in the trenches.
 
I'm a believer that you always have to take OL and DL in the draft, even if not a "need." This is especially true when you have as many picks as we do. The only thing that varies is where you pick them. Quite simply, you find significantly more starters and talented depth in the later rounds for slobs versus other positions--guys that can stay on rosters for years. Besides, real football is grown from winning in the trenches.

True, I agree with ya, but at the same time if we don't end up drafting an OLine this year, it wouldn't bother me either. I would be surprised if we don't with as many picks as we have, but getting three guys younger than 27, plus Drango, Coleman, Erving, added to Thomas and Bitonio. With already now a very good looking starters and backups and so many holes on defense, go get that defense filled! Lol
 
True, I agree with ya, but at the same time if we don't end up drafting an OLine this year, it wouldn't bother me either. I would be surprised if we don't with as many picks as we have, but getting three guys younger than 27, plus Drango, Coleman, Erving, added to Thomas and Bitonio. With already now a very good looking starters and backups and so many holes on defense, go get that defense filled! Lol

Could use all 10 non Garrett picks on the secondary maybe?
 
True, I agree with ya, but at the same time if we don't end up drafting an OLine this year, it wouldn't bother me either. I would be surprised if we don't with as many picks as we have, but getting three guys younger than 27, plus Drango, Coleman, Erving, added to Thomas and Bitonio. With already now a very good looking starters and backups and so many holes on defense, go get that defense filled! Lol

I could see them drafting a guy to groom to take over for Thomas. I wonder if we ever see Thomas flip to the right side at the end of his career or if he finishes playing LT.
 
Could use all 10 non Garrett picks on the secondary maybe?

I could see them drafting a guy to groom to take over for Thomas. I wonder if we ever see Thomas flip to the right side at the end of his career or if he finishes playing LT.

Honestly I think we will put around 4-5 draft picks in the secondary, then Garrett the the rest will be in BPA, probably regardless of position.

I like the Idea of getting a younger guy to train for the future at LT, but there really isn't a ton of talent when it comes to the OLine in this draft, so if we do eventually draft a successor, I am doubting it will be this one unless we draft someone who is a project and needs to develop.
 
I could see them drafting a guy to groom to take over for Thomas. I wonder if we ever see Thomas flip to the right side at the end of his career or if he finishes playing LT.
Thomas doesn't rely on his athleticism. He's the most technically sound lineman I've ever seen. I think he is going to age beautifully and the only time I don't think he will be able to play LT anymore is when he's just done altogether and completely on E. can't imagine a time where he is playing in the NFL but can't hack it at LT. he wins his battles through intense preparation and his brain more so than his (admittedly) great athleticism

I think Thomas still has quite a bit of time left before we need to start worrying about his replacement
 

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