2017 Browns Off Season Thread

[AZ_]

Is this a veiled shot at Osweiler?

 

[Triplethreat]

View: https://twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble/status/854364216488329218


Intrigued if this is true..

This guy could end up being a very solid starting caliber QB dependent on his developmental curve. Seems like he has the work ethic.

 

[Randolphkeys]

View: https://twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble/status/854364216488329218


Intrigued if this is true..

This guy could end up being a very solid starting caliber QB dependent on his developmental curve. Seems like he has the work ethic.

Kessler is the Browns do over on McCoy. He manages risks in the pocket and throws an accurate short passing game plan. He commands a huddle and gets first downs. The problem that will max him out as a career backup is playing to those strengths. He won't take big shots at big plays because physically that just will never be his game.

 

[Triplethreat]

Kessler is the Browns do over on McCoy. He manages risks in the pocket and throws an accurate short passing game plan. He commands a huddle and gets first downs. The problem that will max him out as a career backup is playing to those strengths. He won't take big shots at big plays because physically that just will never be his game.

The qualities you just described are literally the exact qualities that the greatest QB of all time has made his money on... short passes, first downs.

I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, however he can be a good NFL starting QB with just solid improvement in his mid to long passing accuracy and adding more velocity to his ball, hence the weight room.

Keep in mind he was a rookie last year, and played very well given the hand he was dealt. I'm not going to completely count him out when it comes to finding the future of the franchise. It's just going to depend on just how far his body and work ethic will take him.

 

[SixPACK]

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Kessler is the Browns do over on McCoy. He manages risks in the pocket and throws an accurate short passing game plan. He commands a huddle and gets first downs. The problem that will max him out as a career backup is playing to those strengths. He won't take big shots at big plays because physically that just will never be his game.

I think that's premature. You don't have to have a cannon to go for big plays. His reluctance to throw downfield may have been a function of his lack of comfort with the protection or offense in general, or a relative lack of confidence in his arm. But if the kid works on his arm strength -- which can be improved to some extent -- the protection improves, and he becomes more confident in the offense, he may very well take more chances throwing downfield.

I really take it as a positive sign that he is working this hard on a perceived weakness. If that is his approach to the game in general, I won't be upset if he's given the reins for this year to show what he's got.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Brady is 6'4, which is a big advantage from the pocket that McCoy and Kessler will never develop. I do think that Kessler is an asset, even if his ceiling is a high end backup. If the Browns want him to take the wheel for a season and see what he can do, I understand. They are developing him, got to eventually see if the development is worth it.

 

[AZ_]

Kessler and McCoy are almost the same height.

And that is about where the comparison ends.

 

[Lee]

Kessler and McCoy are almost the same height.

And that is about where the comparison ends.

I think Kessler might have a stronger arm than I thought and hopefully he is sincere about taking more chances and learning to release quicker.

A smallish part of me is excited about Kessler with a better line and a more experienced and healthy receiving core.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Kessler and McCoy are almost the same height.

And that is about where the comparison ends.

They are both a shade under 6'1. McCoy had a little more wiggle when he tucked the ball to run. I actually see he has much better discipline in Washington and realized he isn't the white Randall Cunningham. They both get happy, jittery feet in the pocket if the first throw isn't there. They both lack a big arm, preferring short throws in a place where the receiver can get YAC.

There's plenty of similarities, but fire away with concrete reasons I am incorrect if you wish.

 

[Lee]

They are both a shade under 6'1. McCoy had a little more wiggle when he tucked the ball to run. I actually see he has much better discipline in Washington and realized he isn't the white Randall Cunningham. They both get happy, jittery feet in the pocket if the first throw isn't there. They both lack a big arm, preferring short throws in a place where the receiver can get YAC.

There's plenty of similarities, but fire away with concrete reasons I am incorrect if you wish.

Kessler's arm is much stronger than Colt's arm. While he doesnt have a "strong" arm, he doesnt have a weak one either, it is average while Colt had a weak arm.

Both like the dink and dunk, but I think Colt got much happier feet than Kessler also.

I see a smidge of similarities, more than just height, but its not as much as some are making it out to be.

 

[AZ_]

Kessler is clearly a much bigger, wider build than McCoy with hands about 1.5 inches bigger.

From an arm strength perspective and release time, Kessler is well beyond what McCoy ever provided.

Feet in the face of pressure can develop, but Kessler is clearly the bigger player with better arm talent.

 

[Lee]

Kessler is clearly a much bigger, wider build than McCoy with hands about 1.5 inches bigger.

From an arm strength perspective and release time, Kessler is well beyond what McCoy ever provided.

Feet in the face of pressure can develop, but Kessler is clearly the bigger player with better arm talent.

Plus their rookie year production is completely different. You cant argue Kessler had a better team but completed 5% more of his passes had the same amount of touchdowns in the same amount of starts vs only 2 interceptions while cold had 9.

They really are very different except size and both are dink and dunk QB's...hopefully Kessler can improve on looking down field more.

 

[Randolphkeys]

So the going theory here is that Kessler's arm is good enough to challenge an NFL defense vertically, he just chose not to do it in college or the pros. Okay, easy way to find out is checking his progress this preseason. I can tell you the body of work going back to USC shows he prefers short to intermediate crossing routes if they are there. I'm very comfortable saying that if he is playing within himself and making throws he is capable of making, he looks like a high end backup. Pocket quarterbacks at his height have a track record of struggling to see the whole field and needing specific passing windows because they are a few inches shorter than the linemen in front of them. That may play a factor in why he stays in his comfort zone... just like McCoy stayed in his comfort zone.

 

[dark2332]

I think Kessler might have a stronger arm than I thought and hopefully he is sincere about taking more chances and learning to release quicker.

A smallish part of me is excited about Kessler with a better line and a more experienced and healthy receiving core.

Not to mention one more year of understanding and an off-season under his belt. He's a sharp guy, but it's hard to be a game-manager on a bad team when you're still trying to figure out the game yourself.