2017 Browns Off Season Thread

[AZ_]

So the going theory here is that Kessler's arm is good enough to challenge an NFL defense vertically, he just chose not to do it in college or the pros. Okay, easy way to find out is checking his progress this preseason. I can tell you the body of work going back to USC shows he prefers short to intermediate crossing routes if they are there. I'm very comfortable saying that if he is playing within himself and making throws he is capable of making, he looks like a high end backup. Pocket quarterbacks at his height have a track record of struggling to see the whole field and needing specific passing windows because they are a few inches shorter than the linemen in front of them. That may play a factor in why he stays in his comfort zone... just like McCoy stayed in his comfort zone.

I think anything he lacked or didn't show in college was the result of some messy footwork that Hue has worked to clean up over his first year+ in the league. Take this throw as an example, there's little push off the back foot but he's still able to get it where it needs to be:

He's shown improvement on that, improving his release time and using his back foot to add some additional power through his throw:

Overall, I think Kessler has enough room for improvement to label him an "Incomplete" on his future as a potential NFL starter.

But the tools are there, far more than they were for McCoy.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Brady is 6'4, which is a big advantage from the pocket that McCoy and Kessler will never develop. I do think that Kessler is an asset, even if his ceiling is a high end backup. If the Browns want him to take the wheel for a season and see what he can do, I understand. They are developing him, got to eventually see if the development is worth it.

Brady's height obviously is an advantage, but Kessler doesn't have to become Tom Brady to become a quality starter. He doesn't even have to become Drew Brees.

I just think it's early to dismiss the possibility that he can become a quality starter. His major disadvantages are arm strength and musculature/body size. Those are things that may be improved in a kid his age if he's willing to put in the work.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So the going theory here is that Kessler's arm is good enough to challenge an NFL defense vertically, he just chose not to do it in college or the pros.

I honestly think that's an unfair characterization. I think the point is that for a kid his age, some time in an NFL-quality strength training program may improve his arm to the point where it is good enough to challenge an NFL defense vertically. He's not going to develop a bazooka, but you don't need a bazooka to challenge NFL defenses vertically.

I'm not saying that his arm strength will improve. I'm just not ready to dismiss the possibility that it may do so under NFL training.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I think anything he lacked or didn't show in college was the result of some messy footwork that Hue has worked to clean up over his first year+ in the league. Take this throw as an example, there's little push off the back foot but he's still able to get it where it needs to be:

He's shown improvement on that, improving his release time and using his back foot to add some additional power through his throw:

Overall, I think Kessler has enough room for improvement to label him an "Incomplete" on his future as a potential NFL starter.

But the tools are there, far more than they were for McCoy.

I appreciate all the visual aids here, and I'm also happy they are helping me make my point. I am looking at a chart that exemplifies his struggle with passes that travel further than 20 yards, followed by a pair of gifs with successful 20 yard passes, intermediate throws.

I'm no hater here. I'm not trying to tear Kessler down by saying he has some clear holes in his game to work on in order to be a starting level quarterback. I'd be annoyed by overly negative posts right now too... I don't think that is what I'm saying when I say the throws he prefers to take are the same throws McCoy made in his time in Cleveland. Making all the throws at a decent clip will allow him to advance past McCoy to be a starting level QB... but there are real issues all pocket QBs of his stature have faced.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Brady's height obviously is an advantage, but Kessler doesn't have to become Tom Brady to become a quality starter. He doesn't even have to become Drew Brees.

I just think it's early to dismiss the possibility that he can become a quality starter. His major disadvantages are arm strength and musculature/body size. Those are things that may be improved in a kid his age if he's willing to put in the work.

I don't have any issue with Kessler's body type aside from his height, which NFL people will all bring up for a QB with 6'3 - 6'5 being the ideal pocket quarterback standard. There's a few exceptions, but a very good reason height matters for a quarterback.

I'm a shade under 6'0, or just above the average for normal grown men and an inch shorter than Kessler. I don't know your height or b00bie's height, but if I stand behind several people 6'4 to 6'6, I most certainly need to move around to see behind all those big bodies. If there are another row of equally big bodies behind them? Jumping and waving their arms 7 feet in the air? I'm having serious difficulties catching anything that happens behind them. That's why Brees, Taylor, and other shorter quarterbacks manipulate the defense and the pocket so much.

 

[Lee]

I appreciate all the visual aids here, and I'm also happy they are helping me make my point. I am looking at a chart that exemplifies his struggle with passes that travel further than 20 yards, followed by a pair of gifs with successful 20 yard passes, intermediate throws.

I'm no hater here. I'm not trying to tear Kessler down by saying he has some clear holes in his game to work on in order to be a starting level quarterback. I'd be annoyed by overly negative posts right now too... I don't think that is what I'm saying when I say the throws he prefers to take are the same throws McCoy made in his time in Cleveland. Making all the throws at a decent clip will allow him to advance past McCoy to be a starting level QB... but there are real issues all pocket QBs of his stature have faced.

Kessler had the best rookie season for a Browns QB in a very long time.

Does this mean he is a future starter, no. I agree he has holes.

But nothing about his game today says he has no chance on becoming a good qb in the nfl. Would I bet money on it, probably not.

But when looking at this draft, not sure there are many I would bet more money on becoming a good starting qb in the nfl Maybe trabisky, but all the other QB's have similar or worse holes than even Kessler.

I think Boobie are saying to not count out Kessler as a future good starting qb, no guarantee by any means, but he has a chance.

 

[CBBI]

Kessler has one major flaw and it ain't his arm.

He needs to dramatically improve his ability to process what's happening in front of him much faster. If he can figure that out, he could actually be something. He's got enough natural accuracy.

 

[SixPACK]

 

[Omar The Horse]

View: https://twitter.com/maksimuspatrick/status/854728855734583296


Sashi is having a presser right now

 

[NorthCoastBias]

lmao

View: https://twitter.com/AkronJackson/status/854728510728011776

 

[bob2the2nd]

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View: https://twitter.com/maksimuspatrick/status/854728855734583296


Sashi is having a presser right now

Does that mean at all or specifically from the 1 spot?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

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Does that mean at all or specifically from the 1 spot?

I'd personally assume he meant from the No.1 overall spot. It'd be really odd for any team -- much less these guys -- to say ahead of time they wouldn't trade down at all.

I really think they made something pretty close to a promise to Gregg Williams that the top pick would be used for Garrett.

 

[AZ_]

lmao

View: https://twitter.com/AkronJackson/status/854728510728011776

Savagery

 

[Lee]

lmao

View: https://twitter.com/AkronJackson/status/854728510728011776

How do you not like Sashi?

Really smart guy who is honest, tries do not over think the draft by moving up, and says stuff like this to boot.

 

[Los216]

Alright gents. I just returned from a Pre Draft event that was held down at the stadium tonight. I got to speak with Dan Saganey who is the Director of Pro Scouting. There was a whole lot of information to take away from there. More than I expected. He answered a lot of questions we had. Now of course he couldn't tell us who we are picking because even he doesn't know but if you ask the right questions.....

A few things

• Myles Garrett. Nuff said there
• Someone asked about Joe Mixon and basically they have done their homework on him and he is for sure on their draft board. Do not be surprised if we draft him. It sounded to me like they not only did their homework but are very interested.
• He was asked about how much turnover there has been and how that effects scouting players. (He's been here for 4 HC and 4 GM's) He said the biggest and most important difference between this regime and the ones in the past is communication. He also expressed the impact that Depodesta has had on the org. He's improved the communication and they are extremely organized.
• I asked him what are the most important things they look for in QB's when scouting them. He stressed that there are three key things they look for when evaluating QB's. They are Accuracy, Decision making and intelligence, and Ability to extend the play. Those are the three main criteria they stress.
• I asked since he can't tell us who they will draft can he share what position group do they think they need to address the most. He said CB and Safety.
• EDIT; He also said they are really impressed with the TE class.
• EDIT: He also said their goal going into FA was to strengthen the Offensive Line and Defensive Line. Said that they want to have strong lines and win in the trenches at the LOS.
• Someone asked how will they approach the WR position after drafting three last yea. He said they will add more WR and that the WR position takes a long time to develop in the NFL.