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No offense, but referring to Carlos Santana as "solid enough" and the worst case scenario for a really dissimilar prospect is pretty laughable.

They are not that dissimilar actually at all, their scouting reports as prospects are actually fairly similar and the differences between them in the minors is the fact Santana isn't as good of an athlete, but a had more potential power and has a better plate discipline while Meija is more of a gap hitter. Both rated with needs to work on defense (aka handling the staff and blocking/pitch framing) but with a strong arm that can throw out runners.

Meija scouting report

Carlos Santana scouting report

If you read scouting reports they are really close in most categories so all I am saying is worst case scenario in the pros is a solid hitting catcher that isn't great behind the plate. Am I wrong for going for and reading scouting reports for players while they are still prospects? They are not that dissimilar at all since Meija didn't play C before he got to the tribe but was converted over so he is still learning his English and the position and will be up in September after the minor league playoffs are over to learn from/to watch the guys up here. I doubt he will get any at bats but he will be around the pro team late in the season after being at AA
 
If Tampa were to be open to moving Kevin Kiermaier in the right deal after trading for Mallox Smith and signing Colby Rasmus, would any of you be opposed to the Tribe moving Mejia for him?
I would personally pack Mejia's bags while putting the Tampa GM in my Favorites list. He is making steady progress offensively and I could see him taking a Brantleyesque step forward where the pop materializes. His approach has steadily improved, he makes enough contact, and Is getting better every year on the base paths. If all it cost was a Francisco Mejia then you do it. You always trade the bird in the bush for the bird in the hand.
 
They are not that dissimilar actually at all, their scouting reports as prospects are actually fairly similar and the differences between them in the minors is the fact Santana isn't as good of an athlete, but a had more potential power and has a better plate discipline while Meija is more of a gap hitter. Both rated with needs to work on defense (aka handling the staff and blocking/pitch framing) but with a strong arm that can throw out runners.

Meija scouting report

Carlos Santana scouting report

If you read scouting reports they are really close in most categories so all I am saying is worst case scenario in the pros is a solid hitting catcher that isn't great behind the plate. Am I wrong for going for and reading scouting reports for players while they are still prospects? They are not that dissimilar at all since Meija didn't play C before he got to the tribe but was converted over so he is still learning his English and the position and will be up in September after the minor league playoffs are over to learn from/to watch the guys up here. I doubt he will get any at bats but he will be around the pro team late in the season after being at AA

You can go find a bunch of scouting reports for young catchers that will read similarly.

Doesn't mean the players are similar though.

Think its a poor comparison, simply because the ceilings are different for both players.
 
Unless Santana decides he wants to stay here and takes a pay cut we are not keeping him after this season. Now I cannot tell ya who will replace him in the lineup/on the roster, could be a stop gap type of signing (Aka what we did with Napoli last season) or converting someone over to 1B. Our top 1B prospect is Bobby Bradley who likely will finish 2017 in AA, so we may look at other options, but Santana will be a main guy for us in 2017, whether he bats first or behind EE he will need another solid season for us.
Gomes?
 
You can go find a bunch of scouting reports for young catchers that will read similarly.

Doesn't mean the players are similar though.

Think its a poor comparison, simply because the ceilings are different for both players.

All I said was that worst case scenario was a solid hitter catcher with average defensive skills like a Santana, hence why I do not want to trade Meija since he is as sure bet of a major leaguer as you are going to get. Meija still has to work on his handling of staff and his actually catching. He is not close to being a gold glove guy at all, but potentially he could be an above-average he has some of the necessary skills to be. Who else could you compare Meija too then?
 
All I said was that worst case scenario was a solid hitter catcher with average defensive skills like a Santana, hence why I do not want to trade Meija since he is as sure bet of a major leaguer as you are going to get. Meija still has to work on his handling of staff and his actually catching. He is not close to being a gold glove guy at all, but potentially he could be an above-average he has some of the necessary skills to be. Who else could you compare Meija too then?

Just out of curiosity...have you seen Mejia play in person? And Santana when he was a C?
 

Gomes I would trust way more at 1st base than I ever would EE, and it wouldn't surprise me going forward if EE or Santana has a day off he would be out at 1st base in 2017. Now I just don't see Meija being ready for the bigs in 2018, unless he is in a backup role, but we could move Gomes to 1st at that time. His contract is favorable at either position, but I just don't see us putting Meija into a backup role that early. 2018 they will want him to do a full season at AAA and have 2019 be the year he is full time in the pros. He could see time before that if injuries happen again, but it's likely we see Meija in a heavy capacity in 2019
 
Just out of curiosity...have you seen Mejia play in person? And Santana when he was a C?

I don't get to watch them play as much as I would like in the minors. I gotta go with what I can find online/by scouting reports. I am not exactly saying that Meija will end up Santana, since their is a fair amount of differences, but I am saying that we need to keep Meija since I feel he is a sure bet player that at worst is a productive MLB player. Santana is a productive player no ifs ands or buts about it. Now did he pan out like scouting reports said he could, no, but is he a deserving of a big league spot on like every MLB teams roster, yes. Meija still needs to work on his catching skills, but I think he will be better contact hitter/better catcher than Santana was. Not sure if he will ever put up the Hrs or walks but that's alright.
 
I don't get to watch them play as much as I would like in the minors. I gotta go with what I can find online/by scouting reports. I am not exactly saying that Meija will end up Santana, since their is a fair amount of differences, but I am saying that we need to keep Meija since I feel he is a sure bet player that at worst is a productive MLB player. Santana is a productive player no ifs ands or buts about it. Now did he pan out like scouting reports said he could, no, but is he a deserving of a big league spot on like every MLB teams roster, yes. Meija still needs to work on his catching skills, but I think he will be better contact hitter/better catcher than Santana was. Not sure if he will ever put up the Hrs or walks but that's alright.

I've seen Mejia play a handful of times, all in 2015 when he was 19. I've seen Santana as a C plenty of times when he first broke in to the MLB

If you ever see Mejia in person, you'll understand why I say he has multiple Gold Glove talent, which differentiates him from Santana who you saw an eventual move to 1B or DH coming, and which was accelerated when he messed up his leg his rookie year...just most of it is raw right now with Mejia.

But I've played and watched a lot of baseball in my life, and I have never seen better raw arm talent, from any position, than Mejia's...and he was 19 at the time and looked like a bean pole in catchers gear.

His ceiling, defensively, is in another galaxy from Santana's.

And then there is the offense. Just because he is a switch hitter doesn't mean he should be compared to other switch hitters. The player with the most similar bat profile to Santana's as a prospect who is a switch hitter was Santander anyways (thanks for reminding me and breaking my heart again)...

His ceiling offensively is much lower than Santana's IMO. Think the only thing he will do more than Santana is hit for a higher average. But that's only because I can't see him getting all that much bigger, which will cap his power potential a bit...plus hitting for power isn't really his game.

He's an aggressive swinger with a line drive swing, whereas Santana is a patient swinger with a fly ball swing.

He's our best C prospect since Santana...I'll give you that.

But when I see the crazy arm talent at such a young age, I always go back to Yadier Molina, who was the last young catcher I remember with that kind of arm talent from the C spot. He's got a long ways to go to be Yadier with everything else (blocking, framing, calling games), but I'd put his ceiling as a switch hitting Yadier Molina, and his floor as someone like a switch hitting Kurt Suzuki with a better arm.

Think he ends up somewhere in the middle.
 
I've seen Mejia play a handful of times, all in 2015 when he was 19. I've seen Santana as a C plenty of times when he first broke in to the MLB

If you ever see Mejia in person, you'll understand why I say he has multiple Gold Glove talent, which differentiates him from Santana who you saw an eventual move to 1B or DH coming, and which was accelerated when he messed up his leg his rookie year...just most of it is raw right now with Mejia.

But I've played and watched a lot of baseball in my life, and I have never seen better raw arm talent, from any position, than Mejia's...and he was 19 at the time and looked like a bean pole in catchers gear.

His ceiling, defensively, is in another galaxy from Santana's.

And then there is the offense. Just because he is a switch hitter doesn't mean he should be compared to other switch hitters. The player with the most similar bat profile to Santana's as a prospect who is a switch hitter was Santander anyways (thanks for reminding me and breaking my heart again)...

His ceiling offensively is much lower than Santana's IMO. Think the only thing he will do more than Santana is hit for a higher average. But that's only because I can't see him getting all that much bigger, which will cap his power potential a bit...plus hitting for power isn't really his game.

He's an aggressive swinger with a line drive swing, whereas Santana is a patient swinger with a fly ball swing.

He's our best C prospect since Santana...I'll give you that.

But when I see the crazy arm talent at such a young age, I always go back to Yadier Molina, who was the last young catcher I remember with that kind of arm talent from the C spot. He's got a long ways to go to be Yadier with everything else (blocking, framing, calling games), but I'd put his ceiling as a switch hitting Yadier Molina, and his floor as someone like a switch hitting Kurt Suzuki with a better arm.

Think he ends up somewhere in the middle.

We both believe in due time he will be a solid major league player hence why back to the original question I wouldn't want to move him for a Kiermaier from Tampa. Now if we can get Kiermaier without touching Zimmer, Diaz or Meija, I would really have to think about the deal very hard depending on how many players we give up. He would be perfect in CF for this pitching staff. He isn't a leadoff guy, but I think he would be an upgrade over the unknown Naquin and Almonte
 
C: Yan Gomes
C: Roberto Perez

1B: Carlos Santana
1B: Edwin Encarnacion

2B: Jason Kipnis

SS: Francisco Lindor

3B: Jose Ramirez

LF: Michael Brantley

CF: Tyler Naquin
CF: Abraham Almonte

RF: Lonnie Chisenhall
RF: Brandon Guyer

UTIL: Erik Gonzalez

SP: Corey Kluber
SP: Carlos Carrasco
SP: Danny Salazar
SP: Trevor Bauer
SP: Josh Tomlin


RP: Zach McAllister
RP: Dan Otero
RP: Bryan Shaw
RP: Andrew Miller
RP: Cody Allen

2 open bullpen spots: Austin Adams, Shawn Armstrong, Kyle Crockett, Tim Cooney, Nick Goody, Hoby Milner, Perci Garner




Barring any surprises, this should be our 25 man roster if everybody is healthy come opening day. Just a couple bullpen spots up for grabs. I know options/rule 5 will likely factor into decisions regarding those spots, so it's not really that tough to guess who the front runners are.
 
Gomes isn't playing first because he's not good enough at baseball, so that should end the argument pretty quickly.
 
Gomes isn't playing first because he's not good enough at baseball, so that should end the argument pretty quickly.

Lol, even though I would trust Gomes more than Santana and Baustia at 1st since he is better defensively than those two are

C: Yan Gomes
C: Roberto Perez

1B: Carlos Santana
1B: Edwin Encarnacion

2B: Jason Kipnis

SS: Francisco Lindor

3B: Jose Ramirez

LF: Michael Brantley

CF: Tyler Naquin
CF: Abraham Almonte

RF: Lonnie Chisenhall
RF: Brandon Guyer

UTIL: Erik Gonzalez

SP: Corey Kluber
SP: Carlos Carrasco
SP: Danny Salazar
SP: Trevor Bauer
SP: Josh Tomlin


RP: Zach McAllister
RP: Dan Otero
RP: Bryan Shaw
RP: Andrew Miller
RP: Cody Allen

2 open bullpen spots: Austin Adams, Shawn Armstrong, Kyle Crockett, Tim Cooney, Nick Goody, Hoby Milner, Perci Garner




Barring any surprises, this should be our 25 man roster if everybody is healthy come opening day. Just a couple bullpen spots up for grabs. I know options/rule 5 will likely factor into decisions regarding those spots, so it's not really that tough to guess who the front runners are.

Cooney actually will start the season on the 15 day DL and do a minor league rehab so he is out of the running when it comes to the bullpen spot to start the season.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/mlb/7731/tim-cooney

Otherwise our roster is likely set. Now Naquin, Almonte, and Gonzalez are not 100% sure bets to make the team, but they have to do poorly and whoever takes their spot has to do really well to get it from them.
 
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Lol, even though I would trust Gomes more than Santana and Baustia at 1st since he is better defensively than those two are



Cooney actually will start the season on the 15 day DL and do a minor league rehab so he is out of the running when it comes to the bullpen spot to start the season.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/mlb/7731/tim-cooney

Otherwise our roster is likely set. Now Naquin, Almonte, and Gonzalez are not 100% sure bets to make the team, but they have to do poorly and whoever takes their spot has to do really well to get it from them.

I'd say Naquin, Almonte, and Gonzalez are absolutely locks for the roster barring a surprise trade, or an injury. There's nobody currently on the roster really threatening their spots.
 
Is there anyone in our org who projects to a UTIL guy who just doesn't suck at hitting?

It's so strange that every team has one, yet a good UTIL guy is just so unbelievably rare.
 

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