2017 Draft Prospects Thread

[The Wizard of Moz]

It's playing the odds.

We're much, much more likely to hit on a "Franchise" guy ala Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger or whatever within the top 10/top 5/number 1 overall.

Guys like Tom Brady exist, yes. But the odds of hitting on them are not as great.

Look I'm not going to pretend I've gone through all the draft picks and crunched numbers and have a solid answer because I haven't, but this isn't just a case of Tom Brady

The following ACTIVE qbs weren't taken in the top 20 picks in the draft. In other words you could've made the playoffs and still drafted these guys:

Drew Brees
Kirk Cousins
Tom Brady
Russell Wilson
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Derek Carr
Tyrod Taylor
Andy Dalton
Tony Romo
Teddy Bridgewater

That's a pretty good list. It's littered with pro bowlers.

And let's not act like there isn't a laundry list of QBs taken in the top 20 who have been pathetic in the NFL. There have been. The onous is on you to present actual odds if you want to make that argument but without hard evidence I'm not buying it's that much more likely considering the huge volume of QBs drafted in the top 20

Overdrafting a QB doesn't make that QB any more likely to succeed.

 

[The Hill]

It's playing the odds.

We're much, much more likely to hit on a "Franchise" guy ala Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger or whatever within the top 10/top 5/number 1 overall.

Guys like Tom Brady exist, yes. But the odds of hitting on them are not as great.

You can pay $50,000 for a Honda Civic, but that's not going to make it a Mercedes.

Just because we draft a guy high, it doesn't mean he's going to be worth it. None of the guys in this draft seem worthy of a top 10 pick.

 

[spydy13]

You can pay $50,000 for a Honda Civic, but that's not going to make it a Mercedes.

Just because we draft a guy high, it doesn't mean he's going to be worth it. None of the guys in this draft seem worthy of a top 10 pick.

Yeah, this idea that if we just take a guy at the top of the draft we'll be all good is getting really, really old. If they are sold on one of these guys then that's fine (by all accounts they would have done this last year if Goff was there, which everyone seems to forget), but I really hope they don't take a guy just to take a guy.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

You can pay $50,000 for a Honda Civic, but that's not going to make it a Mercedes.

Just because we draft a guy high, it doesn't mean he's going to be worth it. None of the guys in this draft seem worthy of a top 10 pick.

Love the analogy.

 

[Chris]

Taking a guy in the top of the draft means you get the guy that is considered an elite prospect, IF that guy exists (he doesnt this year). That is just common sense. Does it always work out that he's a stud? No. Do lesser prospects end up better sometimes? Yes.

But you can't tell me you wouldn't rather have your choice of the best quarterback prospect in the draft.

 

[Soda]

How are people drawing the conclusion that Clowney was a better prospect than Garrett is? I've seen just the opposite.

 

[Coyote850]

How are people drawing the conclusion that Clowney was a better prospect than Garrett is? I've seen just the opposite.

Because Garrett is likely gonna be the Browns pick and people are tryingt to set the bar low.

 

[Lee]

Because Garrett is likely gonna be the Browns pick and people are tryingt to set the bar low.

I have seen both, but doesnt make sense to me that he is a lower.

He broke Clowney's freshman sack record

Was more productive as a sophmore and junior

Doesnt have the injury concerns

Doesnt have the character and work ethic concerns.

Clowney will probably grade out as slightly more athletic though.

But all in all, i dont get how you can say Clowney was a better prospect unless you are grading them off of workouts alone.

 

[Los216]

How are people drawing the conclusion that Clowney was a better prospect than Garrett is? I've seen just the opposite.

Because most people wrote Clowney off as a bust and probably really saw him for the first time in the playoffs this year while they also never watched any Texas A&M games yet they'll tell you how good Myles Garrett can be.

 

[Pick6]

I have seen both, but doesnt make sense to me that he is a lower.

He broke Clowney's freshman sack record

Was more productive as a sophmore and junior

Doesnt have the injury concerns

Doesnt have the character and work ethic concerns.

Clowney will probably grade out as slightly more athletic though.

But all in all, i dont get how you can say Clowney was a better prospect unless you are grading them off of workouts alone.

What metrics are we using to define athleticism? I would probably lean towards Garrett out performing Clowney at the combine outside of maybe bench. Maybe I am underestimating Clowney though.

 

[Lee]

What metrics are we using to define athleticism? I would probably lean towards Garrett out performing Clowney at the combine outside of maybe bench. Maybe I am underestimating Clowney though.

I think clowney will have him on 40 (4.53), vertical, 37.5 and even broad jump of 124 inches.

Those are good numbers for a WR. I think Myles comes in heavier than the 266lbs Clowny came in at, but i think we will see something like 4.59 in the 40, 36 verticle and a 120 inch broad jump with weight of 277lbs.

Save the email, i would love to see how close i come. And if the above numbers for me are true, still makes Garrett a stupidly athletic end, but Clowny broke Kearse's D-Line records at the combine and I think Garrett comes right behind Kearse.

But really, i think the heavier body, the better off field and less injuries makes Garrett the better prospect.

 

[AZ_]

Way more interested in Myles' 10-second split and 3-cone than I am anything else at this point.

He's got to answer the question of explosiveness and short area quickness. I personally don't think it's much of a question, but he needs to go out and perform well there.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I think clowney will have him on 40 (4.53), vertical, 37.5 and even broad jump of 124 inches.

Those are good numbers for a WR. I think Myles comes in heavier than the 266lbs Clowny came in at, but i think we will see something like 4.59 in the 40, 36 verticle and a 120 inch broad jump with weight of 277lbs.

Save the email, i would love to see how close i come. And if the above numbers for me are true, still makes Garrett a stupidly athletic end, but Clowny broke Kearse's D-Line records at the combine and I think Garrett comes right behind Kearse.

But really, i think the heavier body, the better off field and less injuries makes Garrett the better prospect.

The A&M SC guys have not been shy about saying Garrett has the ability to break all of the combine records, including Clowney's.

If you're talking gun to my head, I'd bet on Garrett having better athletic testing than Clowney metric for metric. They’ll be close for sure but I think Garrett will have a slight edge.

Even with all that said, the reason you get truly excited about him is his football IQ in addition to his athletic gifts. The way he reads keys, adjusts play to play I think is what really separates him. He can beat you in multiple ways and displays an amount of versatility that is really rare for a dominant edge rusher in college.

I think it was Matt Miller that quoted a scout as basically saying “Myles Garrett is what everyone thought Clowney would be”.

 

[Lee]

The A&M SC guys have not been shy about saying Garrett has the ability to break all of the combine records, including Clowney's.

If you're talking gun to my head, I'd bet on Garrett having better athletic testing than Clowney metric for metric. They’ll be close for sure but I think Garrett will have a slight edge.

Even with all that said, the reason you get truly excited about him is his football IQ in addition to his athletic gifts. The way he reads keys, adjusts play to play I think is what really separates him. He can beat you in multiple ways and displays an amount of versatility that is really rare for a dominant edge rusher in college.

I think it was Matt Miller that quoted a scout as basically saying “Myles Garrett is what everyone thought Clowney would be”.

I have read what you have and just think that is them talking up their guy.

Now since we have the first pick, i hope he beats all of Clowney's combine records, but they are just simply insane. I am rooting for this kid, because what i like best about Myles is who he seems to be as a persona and the Football IQ. Just a great kid that is easy to root for.

 

[The Oi]

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