2017 Minor League Thread

[Real Deal]

For what it's worth to you, Yandy is leading off and playing LF. Zimmer slotting in the 6th spot and is 3-3.

 

[Derek]

I was about to say Zimmer is only hitting .230 with 20 SOs. I didn't think he was ready and that is showing he is not ready for the pros with his bat. I don't think he calls for a call up this season if he is not at least at the .270 mark.

Shaffer seems to be playing well in the minors, so we shall see if he is going to get a chance eventually or not this season.

Ps. D-Wreck you can disagree with me, but until Zimmer shows he can do better, I see no point of calling him up

I just think it's really funny how adamant you are the Zimmer isn't ready

 

[sportscoach]

I just think it's really funny how adamant you are the Zimmer isn't ready

Well I do not want us to rush the guy up. He needs to be able to hit for a little better average and work on the SOs otherwise MLB pitchers will likely start making him look bad.

 

[Derek]

Thomas Pannone only went 4 innings yesterday, but he struck out 9, and has still yet to allow an earned run this season.

That makes for 31 K in 20.2 IP with 0 ER through 4 starts this year

 

[sportscoach]

Thomas Pannone only went 4 innings yesterday, but he struck out 9, and has still yet to allow an earned run this season.

That makes for 31 K in 20.2 IP with 0 ER through 4 starts this year

Is he supposed to be a heavy strikeout guy? I don't know much about him

 

[AZ_]

I was about to say Zimmer is only hitting .230 with 20 SOs. I didn't think he was ready and that is showing he is not ready for the pros with his bat. I don't think he calls for a call up this season if he is not at least at the .270 mark.

Shaffer seems to be playing well in the minors, so we shall see if he is going to get a chance eventually or not this season.

Ps. D-Wreck you can disagree with me, but until Zimmer shows he can do better, I see no point of calling him up

In the two days since this post he's up to .266

In case anyone was looking for a lesson on how stupid it is to look at batting average as a barometer less than 20 games into a season....here you go.

 

[Real Deal]

Yea @sportscoach why do you worry about a young guys BA so much when OBP is a better stat to zero in on? Especially when he has a career .370 OBP with above average speed. we should always worry about his on base threat being down, and it's not. He can create a run anytime by a simple walk and a steal.

Can care less about his average.

 

[sportscoach]

I do look at the whole body of work, but I wanted to see a lot better contact/less strikeout from Zimmer. If he doesn't cut that down then he will struggle without a doubt in the pros since a fair amount of those walks will be Ks in the pros. His contact as a hitter isn't where I personally would like it and Avg is just a quick reference, but I do look at the whole body of work, but 20 SOs in 74 actually play appearances is way too high in my opinion, but that is personal opinion.

 

[AZ_]

Now it's the strikeout rate.

You don't have to dig your heels in on a bad take and argue for the sake of arguing.

This board is pretty well above that, unless we're just making fun of someone.

 

[sportscoach]

Now it's the strikeout rate.

You don't have to dig your heels in on a bad take and argue for the sake of arguing.

This board is pretty well above that, unless we're just making fun of someone.

Umm.... If you read my original post SOs was apart of the issue as well, but I guess you didn't even actually read it. He needs to show he can hit for better contact and cut down the strikeouts before he can make it in the pros. If he doesn't change that, bringing him up this season would be a mistake. I think he is one of the core pieces for this organization going forward and I don't want him up before he is ready.

 

[sportscoach]

Yea @sportscoach why do you worry about a young guys BA so much when OBP is a better stat to zero in on? Especially when he has a career .370 OBP with above average speed. we should always worry about his on base threat being down, and it's not. He can create a run anytime by a simple walk and a steal.

Can care less about his average.

If you actually know me as a baseball person OBP% is very important to me, but also so is the ability to make good contact with the ball. Zimmer hasn't shown to me the contact ability, but everything else is there, so once he shows a better contact ability while cutting down on the SOs, he is ready for the pros. I have high hopes for the kid, but up to soon I feel will hurt his future. Now I am cool with a September call up since I feel he should be, but I don't want to bring him up to play everyday until he shows a bit more.

 

[DJTJ]

If you actually know me as a baseball person OBP% is very important to me, but also so is the ability to make good contact with the ball. Zimmer hasn't shown to me the contact ability, but everything else is there, so once he shows a better contact ability while cutting down on the SOs, he is ready for the pros. I have high hopes for the kid, but up to soon I feel will hurt his future. Now I am cool with a September call up since I feel he should be, but I don't want to bring him up to play everyday until he shows a bit more.

You're literally only going off a box score, don't act like you're analyzing every at bat for contact.

When this org says he's ready, he's ready. Not a single one of us know what the org sees or wants.

 

[AZ_]

The argument for contact rate was diluted when he advocated for Naquin and his 30 percent rate.

Zimmer's going to strikeout, it's part of his approach.

It can be improved on, and it doesn't have to be improved upon at the minor league level.

It was a bad take all around.

 

[sportscoach]

You're literally only going off a box score, don't act like you're analyzing every at bat for contact.

When this org says he's ready, he's ready. Not a single one of us know what the org sees or wants.

No none of us do, but it doesn't mean we cannot have an opinion on how we believe a player should be handled. Baseball sabermetrics show a lot more than any other sports as well but you still need to watch stuff like any other sport.

The argument for contact rate was diluted when he advocated for Naquin and his 30 percent rate.

Zimmer's going to strikeout, it's part of his approach.

It can be improved on, and it doesn't have to be improved upon at the minor league level.

It was a bad take all around.

I advocate for Naquin because he is on the 40 man roster and I know he has issues to and I said Naquin has to work on them, but if you put Zimmer up into the pros right now, his strikeout rate will be above Naquins plus a worse batting average than Naquin would produce, so id rather go with Naquin who has more experience in the pros, who has the same OBP% and a better contact rate. Zimmers SO rate is at 27% this season in minors so it will end up 30%+ in the pros. If you don't like my take on things, then I could care less. I believe what I believe and could careless what ya think anymore.

 

[Ob1]

I believe what I believe and could careless what ya think anymore.

So you care