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2017 Minor League Thread

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Haha I actually do not care what AZ_ thinks. I will say what I think regardless of what anyone else thinks

Posting what you think is a good thing.

Refusing to change your viewpoint when confronted with new information is a bad thing.

I strive to be a good thing in life.
 
Haha I actually do not care what AZ_ thinks. I will say what I think regardless of what anyone else thinks

Just saying that when you say "I could care less" then you are actually saying that you care, because you could care a little less.

Anyways, I watched Zimmer the other day and he looked really good. Sweet swing, plus speed, made a great catch in the field. I was very impressed.
 
Judging by everyone else posts, putting sportscoach on ignore was a good decision
 
I advocate for Naquin because he is on the 40 man roster

This is a non-issue.


and I know he has issues to and I said Naquin has to work on them, but if you put Zimmer up into the pros right now, his strikeout rate will be above Naquins plus a worse batting average than Naquin would produce

Speculation based on your gut. Neat. Worthless.

so id rather go with Naquin who has more experience in the pros, who has the same OBP% and a better contact rate. Zimmers SO rate is at 27% this season in minors so it will end up 30%+ in the pros. If you don't like my take on things, then I could care less. I believe what I believe and could careless what ya think anymore.

That's not how that works. But you keep on believing no matter how many arbitrary metrics Zimmer needs to hit or whatever hypocritical logic you're using to get there.
 
We shall see in due time what the plan is, but you guys know where I stand and I will leave it at that. I just feel it would be a mistake to bring him up this season before September.
 
Posting what you think is a good thing.

Refusing to change your viewpoint when confronted with new information is a bad thing.

I strive to be a good thing in life.

What information has been given to change my opinion? I mean honestly I have seen nothing that merits actually worth changing my opinion for. Show me an actual reason other than potential to move Zimmer up this season with his current numbers and abilities. Show to me why I am wrong with breaking down his swing with videos and stuff, not just say my logic is wrong. That's all @AZ_ does, he doesn't show me why and until then I am keeping my opinion. I will listen if you show why I am wrong.

Zimmer will struggle right now in the pros is what I believe, he is not ready and won't be ready to be an everyday player this season. That is my opinion and belief and until Zimmer proves me otherwise. I can give AZ_ any stat I want to support it, but he will either say I am going by my gut or that doesn't work to support it. We will know when we see Zimmer in the pros and if we don't see him this season/he does very poorly then I know I was right so until then enough said and I am done with this conversation
 
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What information has been given to change my opinion? I mean honestly I have seen nothing that merits actually worth changing my opinion for. Show me an actual reason other than potential to move Zimmer up this season with his current numbers and abilities. Show to me why I am wrong with breaking down his swing with videos and stuff, not just say my logic is wrong. That's all @AZ_ does, he doesn't show me why and until then I am keeping my opinion. I will listen if you show why I am wrong.

You set the benchmark at .270, so when you came on here to gloat a week and a half into the season that he was at .230, you got served within 48 hours when he raised his average up to .266.

As if the take itself wasn't bad enough, you've dug your heels in.

Moving to excuses like the 40-man spot, which is a clear non-issue and always will be a non-issue.

Then you moved on to contact rate, despite backing Tyler Naquin as the better player in spite of his horrendous rate.

No worries, just cover it up by spouting some bullshit about what Zimmer's K-rate would be if he were in the bigs. Which is not only stupid, but has no empirical data to suggest it's true.



Lets all circle back around to the fact I'm not even advocating for Zimmer to be brought up right now. Your confounding logic and holes you've dug for yourself on the issue have been foolish, and that's all I've been pointing out thus far.
 
You set the benchmark at .270, so when you came on here to gloat a week and a half into the season that he was at .230, you got served within 48 hours when he raised his average up to .266.

As if the take itself wasn't bad enough, you've dug your heels in.

Moving to excuses like the 40-man spot, which is a clear non-issue and always will be a non-issue.

Then you moved on to contact rate, despite backing Tyler Naquin as the better player in spite of his horrendous rate.

No worries, just cover it up by spouting some bullshit about what Zimmer's K-rate would be if he were in the bigs. Which is not only stupid, but has no empirical data to suggest it's true.



Lets all circle back around to the fact I'm not even advocating for Zimmer to be brought up right now. Your confounding logic and holes you've dug for yourself on the issue have been foolish, and that's all I've been pointing out thus far.

Do you only live to find fault with anything I say? You know you are one of the main reasons why no new people post in here cause if they have a take different than yours or have an opinion that isn't too what you feel is right you just tear it apart?

At the end of the day all I believe is Zimmer isn't ready and shouldn't be called up this season. If you don't agree then that's fine with me. This is a sports forum, we have different opinions and are allowed to express them, I go by what I believe and that's that. At the end of the day let's allow Zimmer to prove if I am wrong or right so leave it at that.
 
Do you only live to find fault with anything I say? You know you are one of the main reasons why no new people post in here cause if they have a take different than yours or have an opinion that isn't too what you feel is right you just tear it apart?

At the end of the day all I believe is Zimmer isn't ready and shouldn't be called up this season. If you don't agree then that's fine with me. This is a sports forum, we have different opinions and are allowed to express them, I go by what I believe and that's that. At the end of the day let's allow Zimmer to prove if I am wrong or right so leave it at that.

Sorry your take was terrible, be less sensitive about it.

If you can parade around here calling me out in your tagline, tagging me constantly in your posts and providing nothing short of terrible analysis on this point about Zimmer...you're just going to have to deal with my responses with regards to how poor your logic is to draw these conclusions.

Lastly, if you want to "wait and see," don't come in hot with a two-week sample of Zimmer's batting average and clapping at @D-Wreck about how you were right.

Take your own medicine.
 
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Sorry your take was terrible, be less sensitive about it.

If you can parade around here calling me out in your tagline, tagging me constantly in your posts and providing nothing short of terrible analysis on this point about Zimmer...you're just going to have to deal with my responses with regards to how poor your logic is to draw these conclusions.

Lastly, if you want to "wait and see," don't come in hot with a two-week sample of Zimmer's batting average and clapping at @D-Wreck about how you were right.

Take your own medicine.

First off you didn't notice the fact I was messing with him a bit secondly the only reason why I have that tagline is cause you have been an ass to me every since I started posting anything anywhere on here and everyone else has been getting a laugh with the discussions so if you want me to change it, I can that's no issue, but most of the regs on here actually think it's kind of funny.

Naquin has a career 20% SO rate in the minors with a batting avg of .289 and an OBP% of .361, but lacks the power and some of the plate discipline that Zimmer has

Zimmer is a career 25% SO rate, .267 avg with a .369 OBP%, Zimmer is .447 and Naquin is at .420 which makes Zimmers OPS higher, but those numbers are all effected by A ball and lower stats for Zimmer.

Zimmer has played 55 games at AAA and his stat lines are .247 avg, .341 OBP% .366 SLG, and a 34% SO rate. His SO% was 27% at AA in 142 games with a .241 avg with a .351 OBP%.

Naquins numbers at AAA are 22% SO rate, .283 avg, .361 OBP, .438 SLG in 77 games and it was even better AVG at AA

He hasn't shown he can keep down the SOs and hit for avg at AA or AAA, but has shown he can get on base with the ability to take walks. By the minor league numbers alone Naquin wins out right now and also even this season Naquin is at .366 Avg and .401 OBP%.

All I have been saying is the numbers do not support Zimmer moving up this season until he can cut down the SO% to about 20% area and he can consistently get the average about .260-.270 mark showing an improvement in his contact ability

Not sure how I am making a bad argument there. Naquin is not perfect and needs work hence why he is back in the minors but if Naquin continues to show he has nothing else to learn in the minors then you cannot call up Zimmer over Naquin. Now Zimmer will be better than Naquin down the line and if we were a rebuilding team, Zimmer would be up this year, but since we are trying to win, Zimmer doesn't support he can make it in the pros this season unless he can work out on those two things I pointed out in my opinion
 
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Naquin has a career 20% SO rate in the minors with a batting avg of .289 and an OBP% of .361, but lacks the power and some of the plate discipline that Zimmer has

Let me stop you right here.

Minor league numbers are not indicative of Major League numbers, most especially when in comparison to a different player at a different level at (possibly) different ages and without factoring in any other factors like change in swing, injury, etc.

Using them to draw a false conclusions amounts to nothing. The talent level, swing, approach and overall game is different between the two players and the marginal differences in their minor league strikeout rate or OBP from two years ago don't factor in at all when big league teams are making this type of decision.

The only thing that will matter is need and opportunity.

If the Indians need a boost in outfield in the present or immediate future, they'll give Zimmer a shot.


They're not going to hold him back because of the marginal difference in strikeout rate accumulated throughout his minor league at-bats.


That's nonsense.
 
Let me stop you right here.

Minor league numbers are not indicative of Major League numbers, most especially when in comparison to a different player at a different level at (possibly) different ages and without factoring in any other factors like change in swing, injury, etc.

Using them to draw a false conclusions amounts to nothing. The talent level, swing, approach and overall game is different between the two players and the marginal differences in their minor league strikeout rate or OBP from two years ago don't factor in at all when big league teams are making this type of decision.

The only thing that will matter is need and opportunity.

If the Indians need a boost in outfield in the present or immediate future, they'll give Zimmer a shot.


They're not going to hold him back because of the marginal difference in strikeout rate accumulated throughout his minor league at-bats.


That's nonsense.

You didn't even read all of my points just looked at one. You need to read my whole post to see my meaning.

You tell me I cannot go by my gut and then if I say stats you say they are nonsensical as well, so anything and everything I type is nonsensical to you. So it doesn't matter what I say or do unless I conform to your opinion. I really do not care if people agree with my opinion and it's good if people, but it feels like you literally go out of the way to tear my opinion apart, that's what is making me mad

@Real Deal @Out of the Rafters at the Q since you comment on this thread what do you think about that post and the point I am making?
 
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