2018-2019 Around The NBA thread

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How is Red Auerbach not on that list?

His first 9 years in the league, he only managed a playoff record above .500 one time after 8 different playoff runs. The first three years, he coached in the BAA so those playoff W% stats may not be accounted for in this chart (edit: those were probably included, which is why he's not on this list). The next year (1956) when the Celtics began their long championship run, his Playoff W% for that run was 66.1%. This would be his final 10 years in the league and final 9 playoff runs.

Also, another thing to keep in mind, especially when talking about the older era coaches, the playoffs were significantly shorter. Auerbach managed a championship with 8 wins a total of 7 times. He had another championship with 11 wins and one with only 7 wins (not sure what the context was here, maybe he was out for a game? that was 1956). Even through all the deep playoff runs, he just averaged 12 playoff games played during that last 10 year portion of his career.

The modern coaches on this list need 16 total wins to win a championship, double that of a coach from Auerbach's time. This means more of a sample size, and more potential games against teams that may not be as good in the earlier rounds (a clean sweep will equal 4 wins and zero losses, even a 5 or 6 game series win will give you a minimum of a 67% WIN% through those 5-6 games).

Despite all of the above written, if you counted just his NBA coaching statistics (and discounted the BAA stats), his playoff W% would be .603. So, yeah, that's good enough to kick off Chuck Daly.

Fun fact: the top two playoff coaches (winning percentage in the playoffs) all time (Min 100 playoff games) are:
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If/When the Warriors ever start to lose and bring Kerr's % down, it will elevate Blatt to the "Best playoff coach ever".

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This doesn't make any sense. David Blatt played just 20 playoff games in the NBA thus far, therefore he technically shouldn't even be on this list (by your own criteria).

Ty Lue himself is at 61 games played. So, he wouldn't be on there either (neither would Steve Kerr). I'm too lazy to go through the rest

 

[Jordan]

FWIW, my guess is a big reason that OKC made this deal is how much better Paul George is when he does not have to defend the other team's best player.
Net ratings:
-With Paul George and Roberson on: ORTG = 112; DRTG = 98.5
-With Paul George on and Roberson off: ORTG = 112; DRTG = 112

Basic stats:
-PG13's stats Roberson on: 3.4 steals/100 possessions, .7 blocks/100 possessions, 15.2% defensive rebound percentage.
-PG13's stats with Roberson off: 2.5 steals/100 possessions, .7 blocks/100 possessions, 14.6% defensive rebound percentage.

Tracking stats:
-pre-Roberson injury: 45.7% defensive field goal percentage, 38.6% defensive field goal percentage on threes, and an overall net positive defender on opposing shots.
-post-Roberso injury: 54.6% defensive field goal percentage, 41.2% defensive field goal percentage on threes, and was a negative defender for every shot type.

Paul George is a top-10 player and borderline superstar when he does not need to defend the opponent's best player. Relatedly, the Thunder were arguably the best or second-best team in the NBA when Paul George did not have to defend the opponent's best player.

TLC has a lot of work to do, but if Roberson returns healthy, then TLC can at least mimic that type of play for 10-15 minutes per game. @@priceFTW has posted TLC's defensive stats. They were very impressive. I think it is a great trade for the Thunder, and I do not like Schroeder.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

His first 9 years in the league, he only managed a playoff record above .500 one time after 8 different playoff runs. The first three years, he coached in the BAA so those playoff W% stats may not be accounted for in this chart (edit: those were probably included, which is why he's not on this list). The next year (1956) when the Celtics began their long championship run, his Playoff W% for that run was 66.1%. This would be his final 10 years in the league and final 9 playoff runs.

Also, another thing to keep in mind, especially when talking about the older era coaches, the playoffs were significantly shorter. Auerbach managed a championship with 8 wins a total of 7 times. He had another championship with 11 wins and one with only 7 wins (not sure what the context was here, maybe he was out for a game? that was 1956). Even through all the deep playoff runs, he just averaged 12 playoff games played during that last 10 year portion of his career.

The modern coaches on this list need 16 total wins to win a championship, double that of a coach from Auerbach's time. This means more of a sample size, and more potential games against teams that may not be as good in the earlier rounds (a clean sweep will equal 4 wins and zero losses, even a 5 or 6 game series win will give you a minimum of a 67% WIN% through those 5-6 games).

Despite all of the above written, if you counted just his NBA coaching statistics (and discounted the BAA stats), his playoff W% would be .603. So, yeah, that's good enough to kick off Chuck Daly.




This doesn't make any sense. David Blatt played just 20 playoff games in the NBA thus far, therefore he technically shouldn't even be on this list (by your own criteria).

Ty Lue himself is at 61 games played. So, he wouldn't be on there either (neither would Steve Kerr). I'm too lazy to go through the rest

I guess the Celts didn’t sweep many teams, back in the 60s. Didn’t play too many #8 seeds. Or the cRaptors. Every now and again, they played the 3rd-best team in a 4-team conference.

 

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I guess the Celts didn’t sweep many teams, back in the 60s. Didn’t play too many #8 seeds. Or the cRaptors. Every now and again, they played the 3rd-best team in a 4-team conference.

Yep, Red coached teams only swept three times in his entire NBA coaching career (one of those series was won with 2 wins, another was won with 3 wins).

A little more context, there were only two rounds of playoffs until '65-'66 (they were both 7 game series starting '57'-'58). So Red only coached one team that had to go three rounds (they won the championship that year) as his final season was '65-'66.

And yeah, the talent was consolidated to fewer teams as there were fewer teams to begin with (weirdly enough there was actually more NBA teams earlier in his career (11, but that shrunk down to 8 and 9 for the majority of his coaching NBA career), so theoretically most teams should be somewhat even. However, if you had a big time player or two back then it was probably even easier to win because of how large a difference a few players can make over the course of a basketball game and with a smaller player pool, the difference between those big time ballers and everyone else could've been more striking (haven't watched too much from this era myself).

There were no dinosaurs in sight

 

[Jstock12]

Kawhi has officially landed in Toronto, he looks stoked

 

[JayDD1972]

Beasley a Laker. That roster is a steaming pile of shit.

 

[PIP]

Kawhi has officially landed in Toronto, he looks stoked

 

[SmudgeHog]

How is Red Auerbach not on that list?

He's actually the next one on the list, at .589
Stats from here:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html

 

[DirtyDan]

Beasley a Laker. That roster is a steaming pile of shit.

They're putting together the most mentally unstable group of players ever. Just need JR Smith to complete the roster.

 

[SmudgeHog]

This doesn't make any sense. David Blatt played just 20 playoff games in the NBA thus far, therefore he technically shouldn't even be on this list (by your own criteria)

Yeah. I misread the criteria. It isnt filtered by a minimum number of playoff games coached. Here is an expanded list anyway,
* = hall of fame coach

1 Steve Kerr .759
2 David Blatt .700
3 Phil Jackson* .688
4 Paul Westhead .684
5 Tyronn Lue .672
6 Butch van Breda Kolff .636
7 John Kundla* .632
8 Billy Cunningham .629
9 Larry Costello .617
10 Larry Bird .615
11 Pat Riley* .606
12 Gregg Popovich .603
13 Erik Spoelstra .602
14 Chuck Daly* .595
15 Red Auerbach* .589
16 Tom Heinsohn* .588
17 K.C. Jones .587
18 Buddy Jeannette .583
19 Byron Scott .579
20 Randy Wittman .571
21 Alex Hannum* .570
22 Alvin Gentry .567
23 Rudy Tomjanovich .567
24 Mike Brown .566
25 Bill Sharman* .565
26 Al Cervi .559
27 Bill Russell .557
28 Jim Pollard .556
29 Red Holzman* .552
30 Paul Westphal .551
31 Mike Dunleavy .535
32 Joe Mullaney .533
33 Stan Van Gundy .527
34 Scott Brooks .522
35 Harry Gallatin .522
36 Larry Brown* .518
37 Doc Rivers .509
38 Al Attles .508
39 Frank Vogel .508
40 Bill Fitch .505
41 Rick Adelman .503
42 Cliff Barker .500
43 Brett Brown .500
44 Les Harrison .500
45 Dan Issel .500
46 Joe Lapchick .500
47 Frank McGuire* .500
48 Doxie Moore .500
49 George Senesky .500
50 Jeff Van Gundy .500
51 Mike D'Antoni .494

 

[JayDD1972]

They're putting together the most mentally unstable group of players ever. Just need JR Smith to complete the roster.

I honestly do not know what they are trying to do? Is that Lakers roster better than what we had last year? Maybe by a little. What seed do you think they are right now? Are they better than the Minnys, Nuggets, Jazz of the West?

 

[JayDD1972]

They're putting together the most mentally unstable group of players ever. Just need JR Smith to complete the roster.

I guess because they have Lebron they are better than those teams. But his clock is ticking.

 

[JayDD1972]

Mark my words though, this shitty Lakers team will get off to some flukey torrid start, beat GS in some meaningless December game and all the Espn bastards will cream their pants. 80 percent chance that happens. I will never watch Espn again unless its an Nfl game and i have to. The get Lebron out of Cle crusade they want on for the 2017/ 18 season was unlike anything ive ever seen. They didnt try to hide it at all. Fuck them all.

 

[DirtyDan]

I honestly do not know what they are trying to do? Is that Lakers roster better than what we had last year? Maybe by a little. What seed do you think they are right now? Are they better than the Minnys, Nuggets, Jazz of the West?

They're not better than the Cavs last year as is. They need one of Ingram, Ball, Hart, or Kuzma to turn into an all star to be in that conversation.

Really think they're in that second tier of western playoff teams below Golden State. It'll probably go:

First Tier: Warriors

Second Tier: Rockets, Lakers

Third Tier: Blazers, Thunder, Utah, New Orleans

/everybody else

The Jazz and Thunder are on the fringe and could make the jump to that second tier. I'm not ready to count any team with Lebron out though. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a bitch out of the western conference until Golden State sends them home

 

[JayDD1972]

They're not better than the Cavs last year as is. They need one of Ingram, Ball, Hart, or Kuzma to turn into an all star to be in that conversation.

Really think they're in that second tier of western playoff teams below Golden State. It'll probably go:

First Tier: Warriors

Second Tier: Rockets, Lakers

Third Tier: Blazers, Thunder, Utah, New Orleans

/everybody else

The Jazz and Thunder are on the fringe and could make the jump to that second tier. I'm not ready to count any team with Lebron out though. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a bitch out of the western conference until Golden State sends them home

I think Lebron may have one more beast year, but those have to be nearing the end,,,.dont they? Hes a freak, but still a man. The old father time deal. Im just glad in my lifetime, no more decisions. Ill never have to go through those again. To hell with those Lebron summer decisions. There was just way too damn many of them.