2018 Browns Free Agent Thread

[Scrote Squad]

So he made $6m last year and at minimum $2m this year. Not too far off the $10.5m guaranteed Britt got.

Of course if he had played well he would've made much more.

You must be pretty wealthy because where I sit, and I'm sure Pryor, too, that $2.5m difference is HUGE.

 

[Urban]

You must be pretty wealthy because where I sit, and I'm sure Pryor, too, that $2.5m difference is HUGE.

Or it was in reference to an earlier post saying his agent cost him tens of millions...

 

[inliner311]

You must be pretty wealthy because where I sit, and I'm sure Pryor, too, that $2.5m difference is HUGE.

Exactly. Pryor's career earnings are around 9 million so far without this newest contract. Thats over 6 years so that 2.5 million is more than his yearly average salary. As incentives differences will play alot to all this shakes out for him but he is losing alot of money that he didn't need to.

The fact that teams renegotiate contracts in the NFL means that you should always take the guaranteed money. If they don't want to renegotiate they will usually trade or cut the player to get paid by someone else.

 

[Urban]

Let's call in a $4.5m loss, since that's what it was. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse in CLE than he did with WAS, so that NYJ deal still would've been out there.

But what if he played well last year?

$4m base + $6.5m signing in 2017, and the Browns would have picked up his $6.5m deal for 2018. $17m total

If he had played well in Washington, let's say he makes $7m to $8m of the max $8m. Paul Richardson got $16.5m guaranteed, I imagine Pryor would be in that ballpark if he had had another good year.


Obviously he bet on himself and fell flat on his face. Sure, it would have been smart to stay on the team where he had his one and only season of success while continuing to learn a brand new position. Pryor's a scumbag and I don't feel sorry for him. Just wanted to prove the point he didn't lose tens of millions by betting on himself. I think he would have been a cut candidate even if he had an OK season here.

 

[inliner311]

Let's call in a $4.5m loss, since that's what it was. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse in CLE than he did with WAS, so that NYJ deal still would've been out there.

But what if he played well last year?

$4m base + $6.5m signing in 2017, and the Browns would have picked up his $6.5m deal for 2018. $17m total

If he had played well in Washington, let's say he makes $7m to $8m of the max $8m. Paul Richardson got $16.5m guaranteed, I imagine Pryor would be in that ballpark if he had had another good year.


Obviously he bet on himself and fell flat on his face. Sure, it would have been smart to stay on the team where he had his one and only season of success while continuing to learn a brand new position. Pryor's a scumbag and I don't feel sorry for him. Just wanted to prove the point he didn't lose tens of millions by betting on himself. I think he would have been a cut candidate even if he had an OK season here.

Paul Richardson is 25 and Pryor is 29. Based on PFF articles on prime years of production for WRs, Richardson is entering his prime and Pryor is leaving it. It's hard to compare guaranteed money in those situations.

I agree with you he isn't going to lose tens of millions of dollars. With equal production, I think if he plays well he ends up losing 8-12 million over the life of the 4 year contract. If he plays bad he loses 2.5 million, just because of guaranteed money. Next year being on the wrong side of 30 will hurt him alot. Even if he gets a long term contract it will be full of incentives and the guaranteed money will be low. Injury and age has alot to do with guaranteed money.

 

[AZ_]

Pryor just isn't that good, and the league knows it.

Rosenhaus did get him a pretty sweet deal last year though.

 

[Jack Brickman]

What's most surprising is they acted like they were interested in bringing him back--multiple outlets saying there was mutual interest.

With a deal like this to the Jets, I find it hard to believe that the Browns wouldn't pay that.

They must have had absolutely zero interest.

I just don't see the fit here. He would have been a back-up on this team. He's nowhere near as good as Gordon, assuming Gordon doesn't fuck up. He's not a slot receiver, so he's not taking snaps from Landry. And he's not as versatile as Coleman, who you can move around all over the field. Pryor is basically like a bargain bin Josh Gordon with an even more limited route tree, and so he probably would have been spending most of the year on the bench unless someone gets hurt.

If that's the case, why not just sign a back-up who knows their role? Or draft a more well-rounded WR you can develop on a four year rookie contract?

 

[dark2332]

I just don't see the fit here. He would have been a back-up on this team. He's nowhere near as good as Gordon, assuming Gordon doesn't fuck up. He's not a slot receiver, so he's not taking snaps from Landry. And he's not as versatile as Coleman, who you can move around all over the field. Pryor is basically like a bargain bin Josh Gordon with an even more limited route tree, and so he probably would have been spending most of the year on the bench unless someone gets hurt.

If that's the case, why not just sign a back-up who knows their role? Or draft a more well-rounded WR you can develop on a four year rookie contract?

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying... we were supposedly "interested" in him. I can't imagine how a 1 year deal worth $4 million ($2 million guaranteed) scared us away if we were actually interested.

We can argue his fit, for sure. We can say that the Browns didn't need him as a number 4. I'm just saying, for that money--if he's interested--I'm surprised we balked.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying... we were supposedly "interested" in him. I can't imagine how a 1 year deal worth $4 million ($2 million guaranteed) scared us away if we were actually interested.

We can argue his fit, for sure. We can say that the Browns didn't need him as a number 4. I'm just saying, for that money--if he's interested--I'm surprised we balked.

Maybe we were offering similar money but he opted to sign with a team that doesn't have a clear-cut WR situation?

 

[dark2332]

Maybe we were offering similar money but he opted to sign with a team that doesn't have a clear-cut WR situation?

Perhaps. However, it was supposedly Pryor who really wanted to come back to Cleveland.

And after all, he beat out Coleman for #1 duties two years ago.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Perhaps. However, it was supposedly Pryor who really wanted to come back to Cleveland.

And after all, he beat out Coleman for #1 duties two years ago.

Yeah, but Coleman was a rookie then, and we didn't have Josh Gordon (who literally does everything Pryor is capable of a billion times better) and Jarvis Landry to soak up targets either.

 

[Lee]

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying... we were supposedly "interested" in him. I can't imagine how a 1 year deal worth $4 million ($2 million guaranteed) scared us away if we were actually interested.

We can argue his fit, for sure. We can say that the Browns didn't need him as a number 4. I'm just saying, for that money--if he's interested--I'm surprised we balked.

Signing a player is a 2 way thing and a one year deal means they are looking to produce so they can get a bigger contract next year. So essentially a 2nd year of having to prove himself.

With the Jets you have zero 1,000 yard receivers and only 2 players with 60 receptions last year. He can step in and produce.

With the Browns he is behind 2 stud WR that are "new" to the team in Gordon and Jarvis and an emerging TE and coleman, what ever he figures to be. Even if we have the better QB now and throw for 4k yards vs 3k yards, he should still put up better stats in NY. (yes that is more than Tyrod has ever thrown by allot, just being extreme on purpose)

Basically while we might have liked him as a Gordon insurance policy, that doesnt mean Pryor had interest in that. He did what is best for him, not just 1 year but for the next 5 hopefully and I cant blame him for that. Besides, i am guessing he even is fighting with Higgins to be the 6th option in recieving behind Jarvis, Gordon, Duke, Njoku and Coleman. Not the best place for a guy who thinks he is a starter in this league.

 

[Lee]

Yeah, but Coleman was a rookie then, and we didn't have Josh Gordon (who literally does everything Pryor is capable of a billion times better) and Jarvis Landry to soak up targets either.

Or David Njoku or 2 late round 3rd year players who are in make or break years.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Signing a player is a 2 way thing and a one year deal means they are looking to produce so they can get a bigger contract next year. So essentially a 2nd year of having to prove himself.

With the Jets you have zero 1,000 yard receivers and only 2 players with 60 receptions last year. He can step in and produce.

With the Browns he is behind 2 stud WR that are "new" to the team in Gordon and Jarvis and an emerging TE and coleman, what ever he figures to be. Even if we have the better QB now and throw for 4k yards vs 3k yards, he should still put up better stats in NY. (yes that is more than Tyrod has ever thrown by allot, just being extreme on purpose)

Basically while we might have liked him as a Gordon insurance policy, that doesnt mean Pryor had interest in that. He did what is best for him, not just 1 year but for the next 5 hopefully and I cant blame him for that. Besides, i am guessing he even is fighting with Higgins to be the 6th option in recieving behind Jarvis, Gordon, Duke, Njoku and Coleman. Not the best place for a guy who thinks he is a starter in this league.

Personally, I think going to the Jets will backfire on him as well, because I think both Quincy Enunwa (who will presumably be back healthy at the start of the season) and Robby Anderson are both better than Pryor and can function in similar roles.

 

[Lee]

Personally, I think going to the Jets will backfire on him as well, because I think both Quincy Enunwa (who will presumably be back healthy at the start of the season) and Robby Anderson are both better than Pryor and can function in similar roles.

Now lets be honest here, where could Pryor go with his skill level and produce 1,000 yards?

Not sure if it was an option, but his best bet was to go to a New Orleans or New England where there would be 5,000 or so yards to split instead of trying to be top guy of 3,000 yard teams because there is not a team in the NFL where Pryor is the best option.