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Has it been Kizer actually looking good.

Or has it just been Kizer looking promising compared to the load of shit we have in front of or behind him....?

That's the question that needs answered.

That is my fear also. That we think Kizer looks good because of the 4 qb's in camp, he is the only one that looks like a legit NFL QB.
 
Has it been Kizer actually looking good.

Or has it just been Kizer looking promising compared to the load of shit we have in front of or behind him....?

That's the question that needs answered.
From all accounts I've read, I think the coaches are absolutely in love with him, and I think he's way ahead of schedule.

In terms of comparison: If anything, his current status as the third QB on the depth chart (albeit for the first preseason game) is an indication that the coaches are going about their business for his own well-being. He's clearly out-performed Kessler, and looking at camp as a whole, has had many more great moments than both of the other quarterbacks.

I think he isn't being evaluated in comparison to the others, necessarily. I think he's on his own individual timeline that Coach Lee and Hue have planned. If he's at a certain point by the end of camp, he's clearly the most talented QB on this roster and will likely start. If he's not there by that check point, he likely waits until some point in the season. Either way, I think his only competition is against his own learning curve--not the other two signal callers.
 
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That is my fear also. That we think Kizer looks good because of the 4 qb's in camp, he is the only one that looks like a legit NFL QB.

Well, I imagine by the time the draft rolls around we'll have at least half a season worth of Kizer to evaluate before making a decision.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm with B00bie on this one. I've made my peace with the Kizer pick, but once they took a first round physical talent with a lack of experience, I figured the Browns would give him at least two years to prove he can start. What the Browns really needed was a quality veteran in front of him, but the Osweiler trade filled another crucial hole down the line. I can see the Browns making a play for a free agent in 2018 before trading up for a 1st round QB.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm with B00bie on this one. I've made my peace with the Kizer pick, but once they took a first round physical talent with a lack of experience, I figured the Browns would give him at least two years to prove he can start. What the Browns really needed was a quality veteran in front of him, but the Osweiler trade filled another crucial hole down the line. I can see the Browns making a play for a free agent in 2018 before trading up for a 1st round QB.

I am kind of ok with that.

We need to continue to give the QB weapons. Drafting a WR is nice, but takes so long to develop. Wouldnt mind going big after any good free agent WR.

Then use the first 5 picks on RB and defense. Maybe a wr if there is a complete Julio Jones like stud available, but those are rare.
 
Drafting a WR is nice, but takes so long to develop. Wouldnt mind going big after any good free agent WR.

Available WR's (best (in my opinion) bolded):

Edelman - Could go for a big pay day somewhere and BB hates overpaying older vets (31). But most likely will remain with NE. He loves him some TB.

Fitzgerald - Could retire. But if he does play another season, will remain with Cardinals or go ring chasing for 1 more year.

DeAndre Hopkins - Most likely HOU will lock him up. But maybe if HOU goes through a shit season with Savage/Watson, maybe he will want to bolt to......Kizer? :chuckle: $$ talks, however. And it will be a massive payday.

Jarvis Landry - He is looking for a payday. Also, MIA doesn't have a ton of $ to work with. And they have even less with the Cutler signing of $10m added onto the books, plus could be more with incentives he can make. This can hinder them from giving him the $ he wants. Cap space the Dolphins are devoting to Cutler now cannot be used on Landry.

Pryor - Didn't bold b/c of what happened this offseason. I mean, I have to mention him if he has another good season with the Redskins. Would he come back? Who knows.

Jeffery - Can he stay healthy? If he does have a good season and stays healthy however, the Eagles will probably give him the $ to stay.

Enunwa - I am not sure how contracts work with someone getting injured and out the whole year (I am sure someone can answer that on here). However, he is a RFA. We would have to throw an absurd amount of $ at him for the Jets not to match. He is only 25.

Sammy Watkins - Bills turned down his extension and will be a UFA this coming offseason. This guy is super fucking young and insanely talented. But...health. If he can remain healthy all year and live up to his potential, I would love to throw $ at him.

Jordan Matthews - Young (24), has 2 seasons of at least 800+yds. Can be our actual slot target (we will see how Dukey does) and according to 247, PFF, and Spotrac, he is expected to make ~$10per this coming offseason.

Allen Robinson - Super young, has shown flashes of greatness but had an "off" season last year according to a ton of people (883yds + 6 TD's). He is making under $1m/per and will most likely look for a bigger payday next offseason. If OvertheCap is correct, as it stands right now, we will have ~$25m in cap space next year, and the Jags will have ~$5m. Spotrac expected salary = ~$10m/per

Eric Decker

Mike Wallace

Davante Adams - can he keep it up?

Donte Moncrief -
Spotrac expected salary = ~$10m/per

John Brown - Spotrac expected salary = ~$9m/per



For the draft, keep an eye on Courtland Sutton from SMU. 6'4. Deep threat.

"The 2018 receiver class looks strong with Sutton, Deon Cain (Clemson), Calvin Ridley (Alabama) and others competing for the top spot. Heading into the season, though, Sutton is the clear-cut No. 1 wide receiver on my board."

- Matt Miller

Draftwire: You were widely considered a potential Day 2 pick in the 2017 NFL draft. Most guys hear that and run towards the NFL, but not you. What made you decide to return for another year at SMU?

Sutton: Every time I answer this question, people don’t think that I’m answering truthfully. I came back for a few reasons. One, I get to graduate in December and I’m really proud of myself. My family backs me 100 percent on this decision. To be able to get my degree at SMU now and not have to worry about coming back to school once my football career is over is a blessing. I also get to come back and be apart of one of the best teams that we’ve had here in a really long time. I truly see us being a conference championship contender and I see us playing in a big bowl game this year. I want to help put SMU back on the map.
 
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PFF 2018 NFL Draft Watch: FBS Quarterback Overview

Top 5 FBS players:

1. Sam Darnold, USC


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The Good: Outstanding throwing in the middle of the field where he posted the third-best grade in the nation in 2016.

Room to Improve: Floats the deep ball far too often and graded at 46th out of 116 qualifiers on 20-plus yard passes in 2016.


2. Josh Rosen, UCLA

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The Good: Has the ability to process quickly and work though full-field progressions. Ranked fourth in the draft class with an adjusted completion percentage of 76.3 percent against the blitz.

Room to Improve: Has to make better decisions, either taking the easy completion or when extending the play outside the pocket. Had the 21st highest percentage of turnover-worthy throws in 2016.



3. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State

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The Good: Accurate throwing at the intermediate and deep levels, with a particularly good feel for throwing the deep out/comeback and throwing catchable passes along the sideline.

Room to Improve: Misses too many short-area throws and ranked 37th in the draft class with an adjusted completion percentage of 71.2 percent on 6-10 yard throws.


4. Luke Falk, Washington State


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The Good: Accurate short-area thrower with good touch for downfield throws. Ranked third in the draft class with an adjusted completion percentage of 78.0 percent in 2016.

Room to Improve: Needs to show more zip when throwing outside the numbers and he can improve his accuracy at the intermediate (11-20 yard) level where his adjusted completion percentage of 61.9 percent ranked 22nd in the draft class.


5. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma

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The Good: Excellent accuracy to all levels of the field and led the draft class with an adjusted completion percentage of 79.8 percent, including a 67.6 percent mark under pressure that ranked third in 2016. 93.5 overall grade led the nation in last season.

Room to Improve: Will have to show that he can still produce despite the loss of Biletnikoff Award winner Dede Westbrook. Can improve his accuracy on over-the-shoulder throws.





PFF Edge stats to know:

Sleeper to know
  • Looking for a quarterback that already has the attention of scouts and will be more of a household name by the end of the season? Western Kentucky’s Mike White is that guy. He ranked second in the draft class with an adjusted completion percentage of 78.2 percent, including the top mark on deep (20-plus-yard) passes at 60.5 percent.
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Breakout candidates
  • Colorado’s Steven Montez has good size and arm strength and he performed well when given a chance to start last season. His best work comes when the defense give a pre-defined look, but if he can improve his ability to process and throw with accuracy when working through multiple reads, he has a chance to become a big-time prospect.
  • With an 80.4 overall grade on only 109 passing attempts in 2015, new Auburn QB Jarrett Stidham already showed his potential during his true freshman season at Baylor. He’ll have plenty of opportunities to show off his deep ball that went for 596 yards and seven touchdowns on only 28 attempts in 2015.


Non-Power 5 watch
  • In addition to Western Kentucky’s Mike White and Wyoming’s Josh Allen, Eastern Michigan’s Brogan Roback has a chance to turn heads this season. He has a live arm that works best in a timing and rhythm passing game and if he can improve his underneath accuracy (adjusted completion percentage of 80.2 percent ranked only 34th in the draft class), he’ll be another name to watch in this deep group of signal callers.
 
Sleeper to know
  • Looking for a quarterback that already has the attention of scouts and will be more of a household name by the end of the season? Western Kentucky’s Mike White is that guy. He ranked second in the draft class with an adjusted completion percentage of 78.2 percent, including the top mark on deep (20-plus-yard) passes at 60.5 percent.

Western Kentucky lost their coach to Purdue. There might be a regression with Mike White this year with a new coaching staff.
 
Baker Mayfield is a no go for me.... reminds me way too much of Manziel.
 

Ugh, one of my favorite players to watch.
 
PFF list in odd. Mayfield and Rudolph would not excite me until round 3ish.

I like Rosen and Darnold, I would put Jackson in as a top 5 QB prospect but I understand why PFF does not do that right now.

As for WR, the Dolphins are weird. They would rather pay old guys on their defensive line or their decidedly mediocre QB over a great WR like Landry. Just weird. Hope they charge into that mistake, because Landry is exactly the type of guy the Browns need at WR.
 
PFF list in odd. Mayfield and Rudolph would not excite me until round 3ish.

I like Rosen and Darnold, I would put Jackson in as a top 5 QB prospect but I understand why PFF does not do that right now.

As for WR, the Dolphins are weird. They would rather pay old guys on their defensive line or their decidedly mediocre QB over a great WR like Landry. Just weird. Hope they charge into that mistake, because Landry is exactly the type of guy the Browns need at WR.

They don't respect Jackson's ability to throw.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm with B00bie on this one. I've made my peace with the Kizer pick, but once they took a first round physical talent with a lack of experience, I figured the Browns would give him at least two years to prove he can start. What the Browns really needed was a quality veteran in front of him, but the Osweiler trade filled another crucial hole down the line. I can see the Browns making a play for a free agent in 2018 before trading up for a 1st round QB.

You mean like.............. JIMMY G!?!?
 
Josh Rosen will settle very nicely in Beachwood/Orange. :chuckle:
 
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Meet the NFL draft darling who couldn't get a college scholarship

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...h-allen-goes-unknown-no-1-pick-nfl-draft-buzz

Super long article. Click link to read full article, I edited some out and highlighted important to me.

On Nov. 20, 2014, near the end of Josh Allen's first season at junior college, he sent emails imploring someone -- anyone, really -- to give him a chance to be a Division I quarterback.

The recipient list included not only every FBS head coach, but also every offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator and position coach from Alabama to Washington, more than 1,000 emails in total. They started with the same salutation and the same desperate plea from a kid in tiny Firebaugh, California: I want to be your quarterback.


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His unsolicited emails went over like a loan request from a Nigerian prince. :chuckle: He received a handful of responses and only two -- Eastern Michigan and Wyoming-- eventually offered him a scholarship. (The Eagles actually withdrew their offer after he chose to visit Wyoming near the end of the early signing period for junior college transfers.)

"Yeah, I was disappointed," Allen said. "I couldn't believe it."

On the bright side, it was one more scholarship offer than Allen had coming out of Firebaugh High School the year before, when not a single FBS or FCS program called.

"I truly felt like I was a Division I quarterback, and I'd felt that way for a long time," Allen said. "I just wanted other people to see it."

No one else saw it, at least not back then. But after throwing for more than 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns for Wyoming last season, the quarterback that nearly every FBS team (but two) ignored might very well end up being one of the first players selected in the 2018 NFL draft.

Allen's anonymity ended almost immediately after the final selection of the 2017 NFL draft was made on April 29, when ESPN reporter Adam Schefter said: "There was one personnel director who told me this week that you can put in the books, Josh Allen will be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft next year."

Of course, most of the people watching ESPN's draft coverage that day probably wondered: Who in the hell is Josh Allen?

"Probably 90 percent of America," Allen admitted. "That's kind of been my M.O. my entire football career."

.................................

Wyoming coach Craig Bohl, who had guided the Cowboys to a 4-8 record in his first season in 2014 after winning three FCS national championships at North Dakota State, was the only FBS coach who made the long trek to Allen Ranch.

"He looked me straight in the eye and said, 'We went all around the country and there's only one quarterback we want and that's your son. He's going to be the face of our program,'" Joel recalled.

Before Josh committed to Wyoming, however, he made one last plea to Fresno State's coaches. The Bulldogs had just received a commitment from quarterback Chason Virgil, a 6-foot-1, 170-pound high school prospect from Mesquite, Texas. Virgil was shorter and lighter than Josh was during his senior year at Firebaugh High, when he said the Bulldogs told him he didn't fit the prototype of what they wanted in a quarterback.

After Virgil committed to Fresno State, Josh sent a terse email to an assistant coach: "6-1, 170?" :chuckle:

"Yeah, we got our guy," the assistant responded. "Good luck."


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On the night of Jan. 9, Allen watched Clemson defeat Alabama 35-31 in the College Football Playoff National Championship. He watched the Tigers' thrilling victory in his parents' living room, along with agent Tom Condon and his associates. The next night, while dining at one of his favorite Mexican restaurants, Allen told his parents, siblings, ... that he was turning pro.

But Allen couldn't sleep that night, and when Vigen called the next morning, he couldn't muster the courage to answer.

"I couldn't talk to him and tell him that I was declaring for the draft," Allen said. "At that point, I knew there was something wrong with my decision. I'm a firm believer in your gut being undefeated."

Vigen was driving to the Denver airport to make a recruiting trip to Wisconsin. He called Joel Allen, who told him that Josh was having second thoughts about turning pro. When Vigen's plane landed, he immediately called Bohl, who told him that Josh had changed his mind and was staying in school.

"I asked him, 'Do you want to get drafted or do you want to have a career?'" Bohl said. "We think this next year is going to really give him a better shot to have a long-term career in the NFL. I mean, he barely shaves now."

Bohl wasn't the only one who offered Josh advice. Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz, who played for Bohl at North Dakota State, also reached out to him when he was deciding what to do.

Wentz's advice to Allen was simple: Make sure you're ready for the NFL.

"He seems like a bright kid with a bright future," Wentz said. "I know he has a lot of talent and people are really high on him."

One thing that Wentz said especially struck a chord with Josh: "He told me that I'd be stepping into a locker room full of 35-year-old men with families and children, who would be depending on me to win games and help secure their jobs."

For one more year, at least, Josh prefers a smaller stage. His goal is to lead the Cowboys to a MWC championship and a New Year's Six bowl game. Six months from now, he hopes everyone in America recognizes him.

"Everything happens for a reason," he said. "I think that kids who are at smaller schools or don't have offers from big schools can look at my story and continue to work hard. I preach to them that it doesn't matter where you come from, it matters how you play and how you apply yourself. If you want something, go get it."
 

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