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I’d have them ranked (for Cleveland):

Sony Michel
Derrius Guice
Rashaad Penny
Ronald Jones
Kerryon Johnson
Royce Freeman
Nick Chubb


1-4 are extremely close, tbh.

I love Michel because of how quick he finds creases and hits hole hard.

I've got big concenrs about Kerryon Johnson and Nick Chubb. I just don't think either of these guys have the short burst speed needed in today's NFL. Johnson and Chubb are both pretty patient runners, that accelerated behind good offensive lines in college. But Chubb was atrocious against Bama, as he didn't have the speed to exploit any of the small crevices available.

I think guys like Johnson and Chubb are a dying breed in the NFL with as physical and fast as defensive lines have become. Don't get me wrong, there's a place for physical RB's between the tackles, I'm just not sure either of these guys are it though.

Royce Freeman in still interesting to me because he comes from a system where it was critical he get north and south pretty quick, and he has decent football speed. I'm curious to see what his 40 time comes in at, not that it'd make or break it for me either way. I like his running style compared to Chubb primarily.

Ya'll can hold me to it, but I think Chubb is going to be a bust in the NFL.
 
The concussions are my bigger concern.

But, what is the real negative of having this build?

Doesn’t seem to affect arm strength.

Ability to absorb punishment I suppose. Though one wonders if a longer-neck adds to the whiplash of a hit.

Injury concerns are real and if his frame isn't as durable then maybe it is a factor. Also the ability to put on muscle as he continues to mature.

That said, I'd still take Rosen #1 10/10 times.
 
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Yes, Darnold completed 67 percent and then regressed to 63, while simultaneously leading the entire nation in turnovers.

And still had a very solid season despite his slight regression. A regression that is still far ahead of anything Jackson has showed in the passing game. He also threw the ball 120 more times in his second year.

Interceptions:

Darnold - 13
Jackson - 10
Rosen - 10

Fumbles for record since we’ve all heard Darnold’s issues:

Darnold - 11
Jackson - 9
Rosen - 8

Yes he’s had issues with turnovers and that’s part of his scouting profile, but let’s not exaggerate it.

Apart from QB’s, I’d be thrilled with Guice at #33. I think his style is perfect for Cleveland.
 
I’d have them ranked (for Cleveland):

Sony Michel
Derrius Guice
Rashaad Penny
Ronald Jones
Kerryon Johnson
Royce Freeman
Nick Chubb


1-4 are extremely close, tbh.

Haven’t watched much of Kerryon Johnson. What’s his profile like?
 
The concussions are my bigger concern.

But, what is the real negative of having this build?

Doesn’t seem to affect arm strength.

The shoulder isnt a concern. Brees had a much worse shoulder injury over 10 years ago and has zero effect today. Just dont see it as an issue, and I know you dont either.

I dont like the concussions, i feel players only get so many anymore and he already has 2.

Bigger concern is personality, does he fit in as a pro qb. I dont know the answer to that, i dont get to interview him, and fuck the media and their secret agendas.

But lets not act like Rosen is the first rich kid to go into the NFL. Last i heard Archie Manning was pretty rich before his kids went into the NFL and both won 2 superbowls.

I like Rosen, I hope he is picked, because it means Dorsey vetted him and liked him. He is the better talent. But Donald is no slouch, and i could live with him being the pick too.
 
I love Michel because of how quick he finds creases and hits hole hard.

I've got big concenrs about Kerryon Johnson and Nick Chubb. I just don't think either of these guys have the short burst speed needed in today's NFL. Johnson and Chubb are both pretty patient runners, that accelerated behind good offensive lines in college. But Chubb was atrocious against Bama, as he didn't have the speed to exploit any of the small crevices available.

I think guys like Johnson and Chubb are a dying breed in the NFL with as physical and fast as defensive lines have become. Don't get me wrong, there's a place for physical RB's between the tackles, I'm just not sure either of these guys are it though.

Royce Freeman in still interesting to me because he comes from a system where it was critical he get north and south pretty quick, and he has decent football speed. I'm curious to see what his 40 time comes in at, not that it'd make or break it for me either way. I like his running style compared to Chubb primarily.

Ya'll can hold me to it, but I think Chubb is going to be a bust in the NFL.

So to sum it up, while you dont really like Johnson, you are waiting for the Chubb to bust.

Got it, I am guessing you are a fan of the Bears.
 
I go back and forth on the top eight. I do believe Chubb gets devalued too much because of a bad championship game and the consistency of Michel in late-November on, but Chubb had the bulk of the carries throughout the season. I wonder if Michel looked that good because he was fresh, while Chubb just kind of gassed in the championship.

Personally, I think it was a Georgia offensive line throughout the season, that allowed Chubb to get the space he needed to reach top end power speed and get his momentum going forward. Against Bama, when his holes were closed and he bounced it out looking for space to get downhill, he looked like a wounded animal.

Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I've always felt Michel was the most special back they had, and it would infuriate me how they'd ruin their momentum on the ground, by going to a completely different style of runner. Like, Chubb isn't bad....especially if you have an offensive line that will overwhelm the DL in front of it. But Chubb ain't Derrick Henry either.....Henry is way more physical when going downhill.
 
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Is body-build a concern with Rosen? He just looks rather abnormally built. Narrow shoulders, long neck. Scrawny. Those shoulder pads look like a 14 year-olds.

Darnold is pretty sturdy. As is Jackson, Allen. But, considering Goff is a stick, does it matter? @AZ_

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Someone get those California kids some protein. I like my QB's thicc
 
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Someone get those California kids some protein. I like my QB's thicc

What has Darnold been eating then? In-N-Out. Non-stop.

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Personally, I think it was a Gerogua offensive line throughout the season, that allowed Chubb to get the space he needed to reach top end power speed and get his momentum going forward. Against Bama, when his holes were closed and he bounced it out looking for space to get downhill, he looked like a wounded animal.

Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I've always felt Michel was the most special back they had, and it would infuriate me how they'd ruin their momentum on the ground, by going to a completely different style of runner. Like, Chubb isn't bad....especially if you have an offensive line that will overwhelm the DL in front of it. But Chubb ain't Derrick Henry either.....Henry is way more physical when going downhill.

My confirmation bias was shattered, because I had Chubb firmly ahead of Michel going into the season, and the last two months changed my opinion. However, Chubb took on a lot of eight man fronts in early downs early in the game and softened the defense up for Michel later in the game. Their OC found a recipe that worked, but people came away remembering Michel's bigger plays. I have to admit, I'd prefer the guy who is explosive to the guy who softens the defense up. Metcalf was more valuable than Hoard.

But Chubb looked good until he faced the best defense in college football. He feasted on Oklahoma one week prior. If the Browns still don't have a running back coming out of the second because the top tier go higher, I'd take him in a committee with Poop Dick. The team has a lot of holes and might not want to draft a running back in the top 60.
 
My confirmation bias was shattered, because I had Chubb firmly ahead of Michel going into the season, and the last two months changed my opinion. However, Chubb took on a lot of eight man fronts in early downs early in the game and softened the defense up for Michel later in the game. Their OC found a recipe that worked, but people came away remembering Michel's bigger plays. I have to admit, I'd prefer the guy who is explosive to the guy who softens the defense up. Metcalf was more valuable than Hoard.

But Chubb looked good until he faced the best defense in college football. He feasted on Oklahoma one week prior. If the Browns still don't have a running back coming out of the second because the top tier go higher, I'd take him in a committee with Poop Dick. The team has a lot of holes and might not want to draft a running back in the top 60.

The obvious upshot in Michel, is he's extremely gifted between the tackles as well. But he has "homerun" speed as the cherry on top. While Chubb looks ripped at a comfortable 235lbs, Michel isn't a light-weight at 215lbs.

The great thing about Michel though, is his ability to run between tackles, get sideways to avoid direct contact, and almost always find that crease for 3-4 yards. Michel has the ability to take a closed gap, and find ways to maneuver his body to at least put you in a better position on second or third down. Chubb just doesn't have that ability....

You are correct about Chubb eating up OU on the ground, but Michel and Swift did as well. OU's defense was atrocious, especially against the run...all year. I still want to puke very time I think about how OSU tried to put the game on JT Barrett's shoulders rather than absolutely mauling them with a downhill power run game. Damn, I want a mulligan on that game.....

But it's also great that Michel has split the load the last 3 years, because for as physical of a style as he plays with, he's taken far fewer hits than he otherwise would've based on Chubb and Swift splitting carries.

It's early, but when you bounce around different forums/message boards, it seems every fanbase thinks they can get Michel at a value in the second round. I'm starting to think he goes top of Rd 1 after Barkley and Guice are off the board. I believe he has solidified himself as the #3 back in this draft. And quite honestly, if I were a GM looking for a prototypical NFL back that makes a living between the tackles, I think I'd rather have Michel than Barkely.....I'd rather have 2nd and 6 than 2nd and 10......
 

The more I watch Darnold, the more I want him. Guy hangs in the pocket as well as any pro-prospect I can recall. And he hangs in the pocket while making multiple progressions. And for all the talk about his mechanics, his release isn't exceptionally long.

I still go back to some of those dimes he dropped against OSU in the face of the best front 4 in CFB. He was making throws 2/3rds of the NFL wouldn't be able to do. I think he's truly special....and I think he wants "it". As in, he will put in the work to be great.

We need to give Dick Hammer's grandson a chance. I think passing on him would be a massive mistake.
 
Not sexy, but speaking of Georgia and their stable of RB's.........someone who I think will be very special at the next level, Isaiah Wynn. He's like the anti-Cameron Irving. And I say that largely because of the downhill blocking scheme UGA uses vs. the very soft, zone blocking Rick Trickett employed at FSU.

I had high hopes for Irving when he was picked, especially because of his versatility, but damn the dude was soft. Wilson brings that same versatility across the line, but he's been a smash-mouth road grader for years. Someone is getting a mid-round steal in him. And he can honestly play any position across the line....he certainly projects best in the interior, but he's the type of guy you just take and figure it out later.
 
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