2018 Draft Prospects Thread

[ajz20]

It seems Hue benched Kizer so that he can watch a game and see for himself how plays develop when someone else is in the firing line of blitzes. This is what a 21 year old rookie project QB was supposed to be doing in the first half of a learning year. It's why Chicago shelled out big bucks for Glennon to be a bridge QB until Trubisky was ready. Its why Mahomes is still on the bench watching Alex Smith. The problem is, and always has been, Kizer should be behind a bridge QB this year. What I'd really like to know is why the Browns took a second round project QB if 2018 is a better group? Why is the best active wide receiver a guy who got cut from a bad group of Seattle receivers?

I am sure Sashi can think about many of your questions in more when he is no longer running a 53 man roster 12 months from now. Not all his fault, he was never qualified to put together a roster and draft players. He never would have even been interviewed fro such a position in another organization.

 

[Triple-S]

The lone stupid problem I have with picking a QB from this class is no one truly jumps out at me.

Like If I'm going to guess? it's going to be either Darnold or Rosen. The only problem I have with those guys I don't see say ESPN talking breathlessly in the manner that I saw them talking about a Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck Carson Palmer, or Cam Newton.

I want to feel more "safe" with this, you know? I'm not against these guys in theory...but give me more reason to jump up and down. Give me a clear cut guy to pick.

 

[Jack Brickman]

The lone stupid problem I have with picking a QB from this class is no one truly jumps out at me.

Like If I'm going to guess? it's going to be either Darnold or Rosen. The only problem I have with those guys I don't see say ESPN talking breathlessly in the manner that I saw them talking about a Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck Carson Palmer, or Cam Newton.

I want to feel more "safe" with this, you know? I'm not against these guys in theory...but give me more reason to jump up and down. Give me a clear cut guy to pick.

I just want to be able to tell people I meet that I'm a Browns fan and not have them do that, "Oh, I'm so sorry" face like I told them my mom died.

 

[PIP]

Yea I took my newborn out to Annapolis with me the other day at a Browns Backers restaurant and dressed her up in a Cleveland Browns onesie and the general consensus amongst fans of other teams was essentially ‘don’t do that to that little girl.. give her a chance’

 

[Kbiz]

Yea I took my newborn out to Annapolis with me the other day at a Browns Backers restaurant and dressed her up in a Cleveland Browns onesie and the general consensus amongst fans of other teams was essentially ‘don’t do that to that little girl.. give her a chance’

Growing up in Columbus, my professional fandom was forged by my father at an early age; Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Reds. By age 12, I was excellent at screaming at the TV.

Thank god I forged my own path in the NBA or else I'd be rooting for Byrie tonight.

 

[buzzdog]

Man, Keys, I WANT to believe that

But I really think Hue just thought Hogan could do better and immediately regretted his decision

If that was what it was from the beginning Hue should have screamed from the mountain tops that Kizer would be back sooner rather than later and this is for his development

Your stance on this is just ridiculous if you think Hugh just replaced Kizer with Hogan as some kind of a permanent move. He did it because Kizer was struggling and Hogan was coming in and looking semi-competent. He did it because he's tired of seeing red zone interceptions and mistakes.

Hogan might have gotten 2 or 3 starts if he didn't expose himself as being horrible. That would have been a luxury for Hugh and for Kizer so Kizer would have had a little more time to learn, rest and heal.

Now because Hogan can't even function as a placeholder Kizer needs to get thrown back into the fire. One week off was better than no weeks off at this stage of his development but it's still a very short amount of time and shorter than Hugh wanted it to be. I hope Kizer pulls his shit together quickly but 2 or 3 weeks of watching would have been much better for him personally.

It's pretty simple. Kizer needs to have the light go on sooner rather than later. Benching him was an attempt to jog that into happening. Kizer needs to play with basic competence and he needs to quit making stupid throws in the red zone. He needs to quit holding the ball too long in the pocket. He needs to hit the back of his drop and let it fly to places where his receivers can get it and the defender can't get it.

If he doesn't do those things we'll definitely be drafting his replacement with our top pick. Maybe we'll draft that guy regardless. The only way we don't is if the light goes on for Kizer.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I'm really not trying to be a dick, but it's Hue

 

[buzzdog]

I'm really not trying to be a dick, but it's Hue

Thanks. Fewer letters to type.

 

[Triplethreat]

I'm really not trying to be a dick, but it's Hue

Fuck is it Gregg Williams too?

Because he hasn't shown me shit.

 

[Lee]

Fuck is it Gregg Williams too?

Because he hasn't shown me shit.

It was a spelling statement.

But the defense is much improved this year, the whole Peppers at deep safety was dumb, but he has corrected that.

And i do think Its Hue not Sashi that is failing this organization.

18 years of horrible QB play and this might be the worst. The thing is, our coach is supposed to be a QB guru. Hue refuses to get a OC, refused to keep the one experienced qb for a year, and now is failing miserably.

I thought Hue was a good hire, but starting to think he is the one in over his head, there talent is young but there, players are looking good at times but inconsistent. Consistency is on the coaching staff.

 

[I'mWithDan]

It seems Hue benched Kizer so that he can watch a game and see for himself how plays develop when someone else is in the firing line of blitzes. This is what a 21 year old rookie project QB was supposed to be doing in the first half of a learning year. It's why Chicago shelled out big bucks for Glennon to be a bridge QB until Trubisky was ready. Its why Mahomes is still on the bench watching Alex Smith. The problem is, and always has been, Kizer should be behind a bridge QB this year. What I'd really like to know is why the Browns took a second round project QB if 2018 is a better group? Why is the best active wide receiver a guy who got cut from a bad group of Seattle receivers?

He couldn't have learned that in the pre-season? I think what you are describing is a massive reach in regards to the 1 week benching.

Kizer learned about as much about football from watching one game as I would learn from reading 1 page of a book about astrophysics.

It's laughable we benched him for one game, expecting Hogan to actually do something and then immediately reversed course and exclaimed "he learned enough to get back in there".

Additionally, what you are describing above is a failure of either coaching, personnel decisions or both. There was no reason to cut Brock. We didn't save money doing it. We could have easily started him for 7-8 games and then went to Kizer but the FO / Staff chose NOT to do that. Just another one of the reasons (on a long list) of why they should all be fired.

 

[Ohio]

But the defense is much improved this year, the whole Peppers at deep safety was dumb, but he has corrected that.

He has? I watched the 1st half and he was still deep the majority of the time. On Fuller's TD he was deep and nowhere to be found. On that long (almost TD) run he was deep and backpedaling instead of going to make the tackle.

From what I've seen, he's still playing deep. Maybe not 100% of the time, but most of the time. He's still being grossly misused.

Regardless, this is why you don't draft players based on the scheme of an unorthodox DC. I was puzzled that people were rationalizing the pick with that logic.

 

[Ohio]

As for who's failing the organization, everyone being mentioned is.

Based on what we've seen so far (yes, limited sample size), Sashi has missed on some crucial draft picks. Hue has fucked up this QB situation royally and is fucking us by not having an OC to call plays. He's also an idiot for not having Duke Johnson on the field more. Williams having the safeties play 30 yards off the LOS is killing our defense and not benefiting anyone in anyway.

They've all failed us. This team could, and should, be a whole lot better right now than it is and they're all to blame.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Your stance on this is just ridiculous if you think Hugh just replaced Kizer with Hogan as some kind of a permanent move. He did it because Kizer was struggling and Hogan was coming in and looking semi-competent. He did it because he's tired of seeing red zone interceptions and mistakes.

Hogan might have gotten 2 or 3 starts if he didn't expose himself as being horrible. That would have been a luxury for Hugh and for Kizer so Kizer would have had a little more time to learn, rest and heal.

Now because Hogan can't even function as a placeholder Kizer needs to get thrown back into the fire. One week off was better than no weeks off at this stage of his development but it's still a very short amount of time and shorter than Hugh wanted it to be. .

There was no good reason to sit Kizer at this point, which it took the idiot coach 6 days and 1 bad game to figure out. He threw months of evaluation out the window (where Kizer separated himself as the best QB), in favor of just saying "hmm, let's just see if this shit will work? it could? maybe".

Kizer has talent but the team has already severely mismanaged him. They didn't put him in a position to be brought along slowly, then they yanked him out of the lineup when he struggled and now are putting him right back in after a week and acting like that was the problem? That he just needed a week off?

The fact that he even deemed this a good or practical plan makes me want to just shit can him now.

 

[buzzdog]

There was no good reason to sit Kizer at this point, which it took the idiot coach 6 days and 1 bad game to figure out. He threw months of evaluation out the window (where Kizer separated himself as the best QB), in favor of just saying "hmm, let's just see if this shit will work? it could? maybe".

Kizer has talent but the team has already severely mismanaged him. They didn't put him in a position to be brought along slowly, then they yanked him out of the lineup when he struggled and now are putting him right back in after a week and acting like that was the problem? That he just needed a week off?

The fact that he even deemed this a good or practical plan makes me want to just shit can him now.

You're just completely oblivious, aren't you? You can't see how pulling a kid back can help him when he's starting on a bad downward spiral? You simply can't comprehend that letting him just pause and take a step back for a period of time can't be beneficial when he's been barely keeping his head above water since the summer?

IDK what else to tell you, your mind is just set and you refuse to see things from another POV. You're wrong on this. The only question should be, will one game off do Kizer any good compared to the 2 or 3 games he should have had. Kizer's break is probably too short to give him everything he needed. But even one week will help him more than trotting him out there when he was being overwhelmed.