2018 Draft Prospects Thread

[Soar]

Who is Clayton Thorson and why am I suddenly seeing him in the top half of first round?

Is this a guy who is going to rise due to the prototype size?

Sucks Josh Allen looks like garbage. I was excited about his potential.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I am probably the 2nd biggest Lamar Jackson fan on this board after Los. I don't think the Browns would be in a good position to draft him, unless the Texans finish pretty badly.

I cannot pass on Saquan Barkley for a risk like Jackson. Or Derwin James. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'm passing on Minkah for Lamar Jackson. Or Guice...

I just don't think Lamar is 1st overall good. Maybe top 10.

 

[Ohio]

Psh, I was hyped about Lamar last September

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Also, I am happy Sam Darnold is going to likely head back to USC. He looks like Blake Bortles 2.0. The Andrew Luck nonsense was getting way too overhyped.

The draft community has a very bad habit of hyping up the next great thing. Both Allen and Darnold got that label way too early and it's come back to bite the media in the ass. I would say they could learn from that, but I doubt it.

Can't wait until they overhype the next great white hope.

 

[Los216]

@Los216 are you officially off the Derwin train and on the Lamar train?

Or...maybe get real crazy, fuck around and get both?

(Totally on board with that by the way).

The plan has always been to get three top 15 talents in this draft. Our pick, Texans pick, Trade up with a combo of other picks.

I am probably the 2nd biggest Lamar Jackson fan on this board after Los. I don't think the Browns would be in a good position to draft him, unless the Texans finish pretty badly.

I cannot pass on Saquan Barkley for a risk like Jackson. Or Derwin James. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'm passing on Minkah for Lamar Jackson. Or Guice...

I just don't think Lamar is 1st overall good. Maybe top 10.

Nope. You don't pass on Lamar Jackson with the draft capital that we have. You draft Jackson and you trade up for Derwin James with the Texans pick. You can still possibly trade up for Saquon but you need to go about getting them in that order.

Jackson with our own pick
Derwin James with the Texans pick
Saquon with a combo of other picks


The reason why you can't pass up on Lamar for DJ or Saquon is because with our draft capital we are almost guaranteed to get two of the three. In order to have enough capital to get them we need to draft the one with our first pick that would require the most picks (Lamar Jackson) trade the Texans pick for the one who's the best player in the draft (Derwin James) and finally use a combo of the picks and attempt to trade up for the one who teams will view as bing the most risky to pick that high in the draft (Saquon Barkley)

You can't take Derwin James first and then have another team draft Lamar Jackson. Then you would be stuck trading up for Barkely but imagine using your draft capital on a S and a RB and still being left without a QB. That can't happen in this draft. We stacked this draft capital for this specific reason. To acquire the most talent in the first round where the best impact players are (which we did last draft btw Garrett, Peppers, Njoku) or t trade for star players like OBJ, Landry, Donald, etc.

 

[Chris]

So now Lamar Jackson projects as a good NFL QB?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

So now Lamar Jackson projects as a good NFL QB?

He always did, some ESPN experts are just really fucking stupid.

 

[Chris]

He always did, some ESPN experts are just really fucking stupid.

If that's the case, I'm down for taking him.

 

[Ohio]

The plan has always been to get three top 15 talents in this draft. Our pick, Texans pick, Trade up with a combo of other picks.

OK...you have my attention.

Nope. You don't pass on Lamar Jackson with the draft capital that we have. You draft Jackson and you trade up for Derwin James with the Texans pick. You can still possibly trade up for Saquon but you need to go about getting them in that order.

Jackson with our own pick
Derwin James with the Texans pick
Saquon with a combo of other picks

Derwin is going top 5, probably top 3. Saquon is going top 10, possibly top 5. The Texans pick isn't going to be anywhere near top 3, let alone top 5.

The reason why you can't pass up on Lamar for DJ or Saquon is because with our draft capital we are almost guaranteed to get two of the three. In order to have enough capital to get them we need to draft the one with our first pick that would require the most picks (Lamar Jackson) trade the Texans pick for the one who's the best player in the draft (Derwin James) and finally use a combo of the picks and attempt to trade up for the one who teams will view as bing the most risky to pick that high in the draft (Saquon Barkley)

You can't take Derwin James first and then have another team draft Lamar Jackson. Then you would be stuck trading up for Barkely but imagine using your draft capital on a S and a RB and still being left without a QB. That can't happen in this draft. We stacked this draft capital for this specific reason. To acquire the most talent in the first round where the best impact players are (which we did last draft btw Garrett, Peppers, Njoku) or t trade for star players like OBJ, Landry, Donald, etc.

I like where your heads at, but you're getting a little crazy. No way we get those three players. Just getting Lamar & Derwin would cost us a shitload of picks.

 

[Huber.]

Jackson doesn't pass the eye test. He looks looks like a future WR convert.

 

[Los216]

Jackson doesn't pass the eye test. He looks looks like a future WR convert.

You mean he doesn't pass the eye test of the the traditional talking heads. The only reason Josh Allen has even been mentioned as a top pick is because of the eye test. Allen is a third round pick at best right now but the eye test has him as a top 3 QB. Why?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

You mean he doesn't pass the eye test of the the traditional talking heads. The only reason Josh Allen has even been mentioned as a top pick is because of the eye test. Allen is a third round pick at best right now but the eye test has him as a top 3 QB. Why?

Huber is not worth the time, Los. Dont bother. His take setting is permanently set to scorching hot.

 

[Los216]

OK...you have my attention.



Derwin is going top 5, probably top 3. Saquon is going top 10, possibly top 5. The Texans pick isn't going to be anywhere near top 3, let alone top 5.


I like where your heads at, but you're getting a little crazy. No way we get those three players. Just getting Lamar & Derwin would cost us a shitload of picks.

View: https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/922244193979977729


Giants, Cardinals, Jets are the only teams in the top 10 right now who are a threat to take a QB. Giants won't take one that high to sit on the bench for two years. They are the perfect trade candidate for us to trade the Texans pick with which I still think will end up below 13. If the Giants finish top 5 I believe we could trade up 5-7 spots with them to take Derwin James. I know it depends on which teams are picking that high but that's one example of a team who would probably be more than willing to trade out of the top 5.


As for Saquon Barkley, which one of those teams is the biggest threat to draft him? Probably the Colts if you as me today. The path to getting the dream trio of Jackson, James, Barkley starts with taking Jackson #1 overall, hoping the team that is the biggest threat to take Derwin James also needs a QB so that pushes him down to a team that is a good trade partner for us like The Giants. Then if he's still on the board putting a package together for Saquon. It's a long shot to get Saquon that way but there are a few things working in our favor.

1. We have the most draft capital by far.

2. There are other good RB's in this draft. Maybe not as good as Saquon but good enough that teams will still be stuck in the old traditional way of thinking that taking a RB that high is too risky when you can get serviceable ones later.

3. This is an underrated factor but we have the cap space to not only trade picks but acquire bad contracts from other teams who are picking high in the draft but also are in bad cap situations like OAK and BAL

There's a path to get all there which will require some combination of luck and team needs but it's not totally inconceivable.

 

[BMAN]

The plan has always been to get three top 15 talents in this draft. Our pick, Texans pick, Trade up with a combo of other picks.



Nope. You don't pass on Lamar Jackson with the draft capital that we have. You draft Jackson and you trade up for Derwin James with the Texans pick. You can still possibly trade up for Saquon but you need to go about getting them in that order.

Jackson with our own pick
Derwin James with the Texans pick
Saquon with a combo of other picks


The reason why you can't pass up on Lamar for DJ or Saquon is because with our draft capital we are almost guaranteed to get two of the three. In order to have enough capital to get them we need to draft the one with our first pick that would require the most picks (Lamar Jackson) trade the Texans pick for the one who's the best player in the draft (Derwin James) and finally use a combo of the picks and attempt to trade up for the one who teams will view as bing the most risky to pick that high in the draft (Saquon Barkley)

You can't take Derwin James first and then have another team draft Lamar Jackson. Then you would be stuck trading up for Barkely but imagine using your draft capital on a S and a RB and still being left without a QB. That can't happen in this draft. We stacked this draft capital for this specific reason. To acquire the most talent in the first round where the best impact players are (which we did last draft btw Garrett, Peppers, Njoku) or t trade for star players like OBJ, Landry, Donald, etc.

Is this your opinion or do you have someone on the inside? Just curious. Would love if that was the front office actual plan

 

[Los216]

Is this your opinion or do you have someone on the inside? Just curious. Would love if that was the front office actual plan

Just my opinion. The only thing I know about the future of the team is that all throughout the offseason anybody I've talked to from The Browns has been very pen about how this is a new process. When I went to the event with the scouts they openly said this is something that's going to take time. I was shocked when I first heard it because they made it seem like they knew that it was going to be an ugly process but that they were ready to embrace it. Definitely didn't sound like a team that was looking for a quick fix or turnaround like in years past. They preached how the fans deserved to to see a winner and it was time to build one. Now that could've all been fluff but if it is they have been consistent with it for two seasons now.

Also they asked Hue if he felt like he was coaching for his job and he laughed and confidently dismissed it as nonsense. Now I could be wrong but there's now way a guy with a 1-22 record scoffs at the idea about his job security unless he knows his job is secure. That being said everything is setting up for next year to be the year we make a substantial jump which most of us already acknowledged would be the case in this rebuild but the losing has understandably taken a toll on us