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2018 Draft Prospects Thread

Discussion in 'Browns Talk' started by AZ_, May 1, 2017.

  1. Triplethreat

    Triplethreat NBA Starter

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    How I would currently rank out the QB's in this class (Based purely off of what I've seen on each of their tapes thus far):

    1. Baker Mayfield
    2. Josh Rosen
    3. Lamar Jackson
    4. Sam Darnold


    Players I haven't gotten to sink into yet, that I'll eventually get to:

    Mason Rudolph
    Luke Falk
    Josh Allen
    Ryan Finley
    Drew Lock
     
  2. Binkster

    Binkster A Five Star Man

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    In fairness, Tom Savage finally threw that elusive first career touchdown a few weeks back... and with it came all of b00bie's validation.
     
  3. CBBI

    CBBI Super Chill Mode

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    I hope Mayfield goes to the Senior Bowl.

    I believe Allen is also eligible as a redshirt junior, so I hope he goes too.
     
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  4. getBUCKED

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    Definitely #freeB00bie. His prospect analysis for the draft is consistently one of the best and deepest in terms of the mid-round guys that turn out well.

    As for QB, I rank them Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson. Need to watch more film on Jackson, but most of his chunk plays are using his legs so it's hard to get a good read on his translation to the NFL game.
     
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  5. sportscoach

    sportscoach Snarly's Gaming Rival!!

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    I agree! #freeb00bie (yes I said that) We need his knowledge right now when it comes down to it. He isn’t perfect since no one is, but we do need his prospect knowledge on here.

    I have to agree 100% here! I want to see both of these guys throwing in that game. I wanna see how Allen looks with a better team around him. Hes the QB I want from watching his feet and ability with his arm. He isn’t going to be ready year one, but I hope we bring in a transitional QB so Kizer and whoever we draft can sit and learn
     
  6. Kiddo

    Kiddo In the Rotation

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    If you had to rank the top QB's from 2017 and then also 2018, what would your top 10 look like?
     
  7. Ob1

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    As prospects IMO:

    1. Josh Rosen
    2. Pat Mahomes
    3. Sam Darnold
    4. Mitch Trubisky
    5. DeShaun Watson
    6. Baker Mayfield
    7. Lamar Jackson
    8. Will Grier
    9. DeShone Kizer
    10. Josh Allen
     
  8. Matches

    Matches Eloquently sarcastic

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    Based on data from the Deep Ball Project, in the NFL last season, the average completion percentage on balls thrown 16 yards or more, by quarterbacks who played 8 or more games, was 44%. The completion percentage on all other passes was 67%.

    This is a drop of 23 percentage points or 35%

    Bortles, Osweiler, Manning and Alex Smith all saw their completion percentages drop by nearly half on deep balls.

    College is a different game but if Brugler posted his season-long numbers on deep balls that would be helpful. Having said that, 40% on deep balls (the 4/10 cited in the tweet) is not terrible, though it would be wise not to overvalue his accuracy based on simple completion rates if he is racking up completions on short passes.

    Highest percentage of deep ball attempts in the NFL last year was Roethlisberger at 22%. The lowest was Alex Smith (12%).
     
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    Very informative. Thanks.
     
  10. sportscoach

    sportscoach Snarly's Gaming Rival!!

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    Rosen
    Mayfield
    Trubisky
    Allen
    Darnold
    Mahomes
    Finley
    Webb
    Shimonek
    Peterman

    I didn’t like Watson, weak armed, scrambling QBs I don’t feel can make it in the NFL, though high intangible guy.

    Kizer to me was a bad head on an NFL body, those guys never work out.

    Jackson as people can tell I don’t think will make it in the NFL long term.

    I don’t think anyone will agree with my list, but I don’t mind! I’d rather not conform to the crowds anyways lol
     
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  11. sportscoach

    sportscoach Snarly's Gaming Rival!!

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    Is there anywhere that has him compared to the other QBs in this draft? I know it doesn’t always say the truth since a spread you can easily get more deep passes connected but I am curious what this looks like overall between the top guys in the draft class
     
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    Matches Eloquently sarcastic

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    Yes. Sashi Brown's spreadsheet.

    Seriously, I doubt it. Even that NFL data was found on a pretty obscure site. To collate that data across all of college football would be a monumental chore. Are there college box scores that break down attempts by distance? If so someone could comb through it if they really wanted to.
     
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    Yeah his takes are almost always very good.

    The Bryce Petty & Tom Savage jokes shouldn't go anywhere anytime soon though :chuckle:
     
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  14. Amherstcavsfan

    Amherstcavsfan Duh

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    1. Mahommes
    2. Rosen
    3. Mayfield
    4. Darnold
    5. Watson
    6. Jackson
    7. Trubisky
    8. Kizer
    9. Rudolph
    10. Grier, I guess

    I still think Mahommes was the best prospect, with just incredible arm talent. Rosen and Mayfield are very good too.
     
  15. bob2the2nd

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    as a prospect this is a bit more difficult vs say what watson has actually done but as prospects

    1. Josh Rosen
    2. Baker Mayfield
    3. DeShaun Watson
    4. Mitch Trubisky
    5. Pat Mahomes
    6. Sam Darnold
    7. Rudolph
    8. Lamar Jackson
    9. Josh Allen
    ?????

    I think Rosen is more prototypical than Mayfield, but i think Mayfield has as much potential as anyone.

    I wanted watson last year in a trade down from the later 1st, and think he is by far the best prospect out of the draft last year

    I think Mahomes is going to end up as a bust. i always thought his natural spot to get selected last year was in the 20-30 range.

    Sleeper this year is Rudolph. Going into this year i felt like he was the better potential Pro QB between ok state and OU.

    Kizer got benched last year. he has way too many fucking flaws to appear on this chart
     
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