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Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .

His shot, especially in the second clip looks great! can't shoot ah? certainly doesn't look like that. We will see about the in couple of years. He might turn out to be better than a few player selected before him.

That's for his shooting. As far as his ability to run the PnR yet, I don't think he has the feel for it yet. Like when you can clearly see the difference when you compare it how Young runs the PnR. It will hopefully come in time though.
 
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Remember those ole DWaiters workout with the broom?
His shot, especially in the second clip looks great! can't shoot ah? certainly doesn't look like that. We will see about the in couple of years. He might turn out to be better than a few player selected before him.

That's for his shooting. As far as his ability to run the PnR yet, I don't think he has the feel for it yet. Like when you can clearly see the difference when you compare it how Young runs the PnR. It will hopefully come in time though.
Remember those ole DWaiters workout with the broom? Haha those were the days...

From what I've read this guy is a gamer, hardworker, smart and good attitude off/on the court... thats a good foundation together with his athletic ability and skills... hopefully that is enough for him to overcome his small size relative to nba and succeed... dream scenario is he develops into AI lite with tenacious defense...
 
I also want to say that Sexton has pretty narrow hands 8'50 inches wide. I mention it because the ball slows him down at times because he doesn't have the most secure handle...at times the ball kinda slips out of hands. The best ball handlers have the widest hands, and it's understandable why.

Kyrie Irving for example has a '9.25 hand width. Lillard has a '9.75 had width, McCollum '9.50.

Remember how Kay Felder used to pound the ball? like Sexton he has a 8.50 hand width. Sexton has a similar issue were he tends to slightly squat and pound the ball(much less severe than Felder) instead of carrying it/palming the ball to have a better control. This limits his explosion and manoeuvrability in tight quarters and when turning corners.

Like when you look at Sexton, you see that he moves in almost straight lines...He has a ridiculous straight line quickness, but when he has to do more 3 dimensional stuff, he loses momentum and quickness. I hope that changes.

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Thoughts?
 
I also want to say that Sexton has pretty narrow hands 8'50 inches wide. I mention it because the ball slows him down at times because he doesn't have the most secure handle...at times the ball kinda slips out of hands. The best ball handlers have the widest hands, and it's understandable why.

Kyrie Irving for example has a '9.25 hand width. Lillard has a '9.75 had width, McCollum '9.50.

Remember how Kay Felder used to pound the ball? like Sexton he has a 8.50 hand width. Sexton has a similar issue were he tends to slightly squat and pound the ball(much less severe than Felder) instead of carrying it/palming the ball to have a better control. This limits his explosion and manoeuvrability in tight quarters and when turning corners.

Like when you look at Sexton, you see that he moves in almost straight lines...He has a ridiculous straight line quickness, but when he has to do more 3 dimensional stuff, he loses momentum and quickness. I hope that changes.

@RchfldCavRaised @Randolphkeys @Nathan S @InBoobieWeTrust

Thoughts?

Pretty much agree...I think this may also (partly) explain his tunnel vision in traffic. Those "3-dimensional" moves where the ballhandler comes oh-so-close to a palming violation are the ones that provide an extra split second to survey the court.
 
Pretty much agree...I think this may also (partly) explain his tunnel vision in traffic. Those "3-dimensional" moves where the ballhandler comes oh-so-close to a palming violation are the ones that provide an extra split second to survey the court.

This is why he is a much better decision maker in the open court where it should be the other way around for players. Like when he needs to be a decision maker in the PnR he just pounds the ball in the spot because he doesn't have the ability to really cheat the defense and fake them because his movements with the ball are so sharp and hard. He doesn't have much subtlety in his movements and that currently limits him.

Do you think it's correctable? I think it could be huge for him, but i'm afraid it's because of his hands.

Do you know how big Chris Paul's and Curry's hands?
 
I also want to say that Sexton has pretty narrow hands 8'50 inches wide. I mention it because the ball slows him down at times because he doesn't have the most secure handle...at times the ball kinda slips out of hands. The best ball handlers have the widest hands, and it's understandable why.

Kyrie Irving for example has a '9.25 hand width. Lillard has a '9.75 had width, McCollum '9.50.

Remember how Kay Felder used to pound the ball? like Sexton he has a 8.50 hand width. Sexton has a similar issue were he tends to slightly squat and pound the ball(much less severe than Felder) instead of carrying it/palming the ball to have a better control. This limits his explosion and manoeuvrability in tight quarters and when turning corners.

Like when you look at Sexton, you see that he moves in almost straight lines...He has a ridiculous straight line quickness, but when he has to do more 3 dimensional stuff, he loses momentum and quickness. I hope that changes.

@RchfldCavRaised @Randolphkeys @Nathan S @InBoobieWeTrust

Thoughts?

Nice observation.

The kiss of death for Felder was his lack of vertical agility. IT had exceptional lateral agility -- Kay Felder's was terrible, especially for a guy that small. There was no chance that quickness could ever compensate for his lack of size.

But the hand-size issue is a pretty good one. I could totally see how that could limit a guy's ability to be an above-average ball handler. But, I don't think that's going to be what makes or break Sexton in the end. It's going to be his shot that does that.
 
Nice observation.

The kiss of death for Felder was his lack of vertical agility. IT had exceptional lateral agility -- Kay Felder's was terrible, especially for a guy that small. There was no chance that quickness could ever compensate for his lack of size.

But the hand-size issue is a pretty good one. I could totally see how that could limit a guy's ability to be an above-average ball handler. But, I don't think that's going to be what makes or break Sexton in the end. It's going to be his shot that does that.

vertical agility? what is that?

I think Felders problem were his lack of handle. He wasn't elusive as IT and just couldn't get to the same spots on the floor as a result.

The best PnR players have big hands...it's quite amazing. Rondo for example has fucking mitts. He has complete control of the ball and as a result he is such a good ball handler and even a good passer in terms of accuracy and even timing. Imagine having a ball, having it stick to your hands throughout the dribbling motion... you can potentially pass the ball at any given moment whether it is at it's peak height, bottom or midway through. This is what they call ball on a string if you will.

Trae Young even has '9.25 hands and he is an elite PnR Ball Handler.

I just hope there is an exception to the "rule".

And even as far as shooting just so you know, the hand plays a big factor. And I'm not sure I completely agree about the shot being the thing that breaks or makes him. If he were fluid and explosive in the PnR, his chances of becoming a great,great player still stand even without developing a good shot.
 
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This is why he is a much better decision maker in the open court where it should be the other way around for players. Like when he needs to be a decision maker in the PnR he just pounds the ball in the spot because he doesn't have the ability to really cheat the defense and fake them because his movements with the ball are so sharp and hard. He doesn't have much subtlety in his movements and that currently limits him.

Do you think it's correctable? I think it could be huge for him, but i'm afraid it's because of his hands.

Do you know how big Chris Paul's and Curry's hands?

While I think you're making some good points about handles and hand-size, but I don't think it's a determining factor at all. Lots of small dudes have epic handles.

Does it help? Maybe. Without a doubt physical attributes can effect various skills. But this is like height and shot blocking. Does a taller person often make a better shot blocker? Some times. Are there short dudes who are epic shot blockers (Wade)? Absolutely. Are their tall dudes who suck ass at blocking shots? Lots of them.

I wound not call this a "rule" as you do. Have you ever tried to dribble with a small pop-a-shot basketball? It's much harder to dribble than a full-size basketball. So, I'm not sure if your logic is sound.
 
This is why he is a much better decision maker in the open court where it should be the other way around for players. Like when he needs to be a decision maker in the PnR he just pounds the ball in the spot because he doesn't have the ability to really cheat the defense and fake them because his movements with the ball are so sharp and hard. He doesn't have much subtlety in his movements and that currently limits him.

Do you think it's correctable? I think it could be huge for him, but i'm afraid it's because of his hands.

Do you know how big Chris Paul's and Curry's hands?

This is straying pretty far from my area of expertise, but my impression is that it'll be hard for Sexton to change. What makes him such a deadly scorer is that elite-level quickness that defenders just can't match. He gets from the 3-point line to the paint before anyone can even think or react. But if he goes even a hair under 100%, he loses that edge and just becomes a totally ordinary player.

If LeBron goes, I think the best thing for his development would be to encourage him to pass instinctively, even if it results in a lot of turnovers, and hope that he can naturally evolve into a more creative offensive player without sacrificing what makes him unique. If LeBron stays...I still don't really see him as an ideal fit, though he's obviously a major addition to our current train wreck of a backcourt.
 
This is straying pretty far from my area of expertise, but my impression is that it'll be hard for Sexton to change. What makes him such a deadly scorer is that elite-level quickness that defenders just can't match. He gets from the 3-point line to the paint before anyone can even think or react. But if he goes even a hair under 100%, he loses that edge and just becomes a totally ordinary player.

If LeBron goes, I think the best thing for his development would be to encourage him to pass instinctively, even if it results in a lot of turnovers, and hope that he can naturally evolve into a more creative offensive player without sacrificing what makes him unique. If LeBron stays...I still don't really see him as an ideal fit, though he's obviously a major addition to our current train wreck of a backcourt.
If LBJ stays, Sexton is gone. I mean, that much is beyond obvious...right?

This is why Sexton was a great pick for us. A great developmental pick for a tanking/rebuilding team---which are the types of team we will trade with, OR the type of team we'll becomes if LBJ leaves.
 
While I think you're making some good points about handles and hand-size, but I don't think it's a determining factor at all. Lots of small dudes have epic handles.

Does it help? Sure. Without a doubt. But this is like height and shot blocking. Does a taller person often make a better shot blocker? Of course. Are there short dudes who are epic shot blockers (Wade)? Absolutely.

I wouldn't say that a guy with small hands would automatically be a below average dribbler straight up, in the same way that I wouldn't say that a guy with big hands is automatically a good dribbler.(However, guys with bigger hands are usually players that are either Bigs or players that never learned how to dribble properly)

I would have to watch the guy dribble and see for myself. The fact that he pounds the ball like that tells me that he is indeed impacted by his hand size or had been impacted by his hand size when he learned how to dribble the ball. I made this post because of these two factors...not just because of hand size alone.

I have been trying to find good dribblers with small hands through the database and I can't find any. Rodney Hood for example, he has a shitty handle and loose handle...guess what his hand size is? 8.50 lol.

Donovan Mitchell? 9.50, John Wall 9'50 , Austin Rivers? .10, Cory Joseph 10.50. Then there are the exceptions in Avery Bradley at 9'50.

Zhaire Smith? 8.25....guy will never have a good dribble...i'll tell you that right now.


I wound not call this a "rule" as you do. Have you ever tried to dribble with a small pop-a-shot basketball? It's much harder to dribble than a full-size basketball. So, I'm not sure if your logic is sound.

I'm only calling it a rule because I don't have evidence that suggest otherwise. Ofcourse I tried dribbling with a pop-a-shot basketball. Obviously there is a threshold where a ball becomes too small that it becomes hard to dribble and shoot the basketball. When you are able to palm the ball without the need to use your fingers to do so you lose the ability to control it...plain and simple. That should be obvious.
 
Well, we can agree on that. Without evidence, this debate is pretty worthless.

There is evidence lol.

There are much better dribblers with big hands than players with small hands. Actually, according to my database, there isn't one good dribbler in it with small hands. How is that not evidence?

We just don't have every measure of every good or bad ball handler in the NBA.

And you can use common sense...have you not dribbled a basketball? try to use a size 7 ball and a size 6/5 ball and tell me what's easier to dribble...that is if you have average hands.
 
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There is evidence lol. There are much better dribbles with big hands than players with small hands. Actually, according to my database, there isn't one good dribbler in it. How is that not evidence?

Because you're only looking for evidence that confirms your theory. I can find countless examples that deny it: how many big men have AWFUL handles and BIG hands?

Unless you can find a way to systematically test your theory, then your confirmatory evidence is simply anecdotal.
 

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