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2018 NBA Draft - June 21

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Someone posted video of the 20-0 start, if anyone's curious:


Anthony Randolph had like 4 TO's in that clip

Though I could go for a look at Nick Calathes for the back up PG spot with the improvements he's made playing in Europe, still not as great shooter though.
 
Anthony Randolph had like 4 TO's in that clip

Though I could go for a look at Nick Calathes for the back up PG spot with the improvements he's made playing in Europe, still not as great shooter though.

His contract's up this summer, so it's possible he'll venture back across the pond. But based on what Teodosic got last summer, he'll probably be looking for a 10M/year contract or thereabouts. Out of our price range.
 
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His contract's up this summer, so it's possible he'll venture back across the pond. But based on what Teodosic got last summer, he'll probably be looking for a 10M/year contract or thereabouts. Out of our price range.

You think Calathes will get that much ?

I would think he'd be closer to what Malcolm Delaney got when he came back over which was about 2.5 - 3.5mil ( Delaney was at 16pts 5ast 3rbs with better shooting from 3 the year before in Europe )

I think Teodosic was a special case, he was widely regarding as the best PG and passer who wasn't in the NBA, guy was also a knock down shooter his last 2 years in Europe (things Calathes isn't).
 
You think Calathes will get that much ?

I would think he'd be closer to what Malcolm Delaney got when he came back over which was about 2.5 - 3.5mil ( Delaney was at 16pts 5ast 3rbs with better shooting from 3 the year before in Europe )

I think Teodosic was a special case, he was widely regarding as the best PG and passer who wasn't in the NBA, guy was also a knock down shooter his last 2 years in Europe (things Calathes isn't).

Calathes is a far, far better defensive player than either of those guys. Cut his teeth playing next to Tony Allen on those peak grindhouse Grizzlies teams, and he's only gotten better since then. Big, strong, quick, and smart...checks all the boxes for a point-of-attack defender.

On top of that, while he can't shoot, he is a far better floor general than Milos. Milos makes a lot of flashy passes, but also commits a lot of unnecessary turnovers as a result. Calathes in contrast runs a very tight ship, always playing the percentages, and of course always executing flawlessly. He set a new record this year averaging 8.4 assists per game (11.7 per 40), and led Euroleague in assist:TO ratio.
 
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Calathes is a far, far better defensive player than either of those guys. Cut his teeth playing next to Tony Allen on those peak grindhouse Grizzlies teams, and he's only gotten better since then. Big, strong, quick, and smart...checks all the boxes for a point-of-attack defender.

On top of that, while he can't shoot, he is a far better floor general than Milos. Milos makes a lot of flashy passes, but also commits a lot of unnecessary turnovers as a result. Calathes in contrast runs a very tight ship, always playing the percentages, and of course always executing flawlessly. He set a new record this year averaging 8.4 assists per game (11.7 per 40), and led Euroleague in assist:TO ratio.

There's no chance he gets $10m annually. Especially in this year's cap environment. There may only be 6 or 7 teams in the entire NBA with $10 million in cap space. Even if he's improved, teams have already seen him in the NBA which hurts his value. On the other hand teams waited years for Milos to come over, which did nothing but help his value.

On top of his poor play in his first stint in the NBA, the restricted cap environment, & the current demand for shooting at almost every position, team's never pay that much for backup PGs (even with the historic cap spike in 2016).

I think he'll be lucky to find an offer at or above $5m annually.
 
Calathes is a far, far better defensive player than either of those guys. Cut his teeth playing next to Tony Allen on those peak grindhouse Grizzlies teams, and he's only gotten better since then. Big, strong, quick, and smart...checks all the boxes for a point-of-attack defender.

On top of that, while he can't shoot, he is a far better floor general than Milos. Milos makes a lot of flashy passes, but also commits a lot of unnecessary turnovers as a result. Calathes in contrast runs a very tight ship, always playing the percentages, and of course always executing flawlessly. He set a new record this year averaging 8.4 assists per game (11.7 per 40), and led Euroleague in assist:TO ratio.

I remember him on the Grizz but not playing much. I didn't realize he had improved that much on D since he's been in Europe. I think 3ball makes some valid points on the market for the coming summer so his number is probably more accurate than both of ours taking the market factors into account
 
There's no chance he gets $10m annually. Especially in this year's cap environment. There may only be 6 or 7 teams in the entire NBA with $10 million in cap space. Even if he's improved, teams have already seen him in the NBA which hurts his value. On the other hand teams waited years for Milos to come over, which did nothing but help his value.

On top of his poor play in his first stint in the NBA, the restricted cap environment, & the current demand for shooting at almost every position, team's never pay that much for backup PGs (even with the historic cap spike in 2016).

I think he'll be lucky to find an offer at or above $5m annually.

If he doesn't get 10m/year, he's not coming. He'll probably get at least 5m/year offers in Europe, and I doubt he's going to uproot his life to make the same amount of money and come off the bench in the NBA.

Also, his play was not poor in his first stint in the NBA by many measures. His second season he actually had the second best DRPM out of all guards behind of course Tony Allen. He's a proven impact player on that end, and has only helped his reputation in that regard with his play overseas.
 
If he doesn't get 10m/year, he's not coming. He'll probably get at least 5m/year offers in Europe, and I doubt he's going to uproot his life to make the same amount of money and come off the bench in the NBA.

Also, his play was not poor in his first stint in the NBA by many measures. His second season he actually had the second best DRPM out of all guards behind of course Tony Allen. He's a proven impact player on that end, and has only helped his reputation in that regard with his play overseas.

Yeah I've got the same mindset. He's already gotten the chance to play in the NBA, but can get the same money for being a star in Europe. Fully expect him to stay over there the rest of his career. I would.
 
Yeah I've got the same mindset. He's already gotten the chance to play in the NBA, but can get the same money for being a star in Europe. Fully expect him to stay over there the rest of his career. I would.

Yeah, I should have emphasized in my initial post that he'll be looking for a contract around 10m/year if he's considering coming back to the NBA. He won't necessarily get an offer like that, but that's what it would take to make him consider a return. And I don't think it would be crazy overpay in a summer where more teams are under the cap. So many NBA teams have gone to bench lineups led by a "sparkplug" combo guard type like Jordan Clarkson. Calathes would be the perfect counter to that, able to pester the Clarksons of the NBA into low-percentage shots while running an efficient up-tempo offense on the other end.
 

This is a surprise. Have never been overly impressed by him, but went into games expecting way more than I should have because of his gaudy numbers.
 
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If his shot translates I kind of like him as a big SG rather than a small PF. Skilled enough to be a secondary ballhandler for a typical bench unit, and his size and physicality would be a plus at that position.

Would come down to whether or not he can stay in front of guys at that position or not. I see him as a smaller 4 just because I'm not sure how much he can do on offense with quicker players guarding him.

Really intrigued to see just how well he can create at the NBA level like in the P&R, but I try to have conservative thinking with guys for the most part and am only really counting on him being a floor spacer right now.

Either way he fits in well with the position-less basketball state that the NBA is in. He can end up being bargain-bin Jacob Evans if he goes undrafted lol.
 
Would come down to whether or not he can stay in front of guys at that position or not. I see him as a smaller 4 just because I'm not sure how much he can do on offense with quicker players guarding him.

Really intrigued to see just how well he can create at the NBA level like in the P&R, but I try to have conservative thinking with guys for the most part and am only really counting on him being a floor spacer right now.

Either way he fits in well with the position-less basketball state that the NBA is in. He can end up being bargain-bin Jacob Evans if he goes undrafted lol.

The hope would be that he could just bully his way past flimsy bench SGs like our own Rodney Hood. But, as you say, he's not particularly skilled or quick for an SG by NBA standards, and his floor spacing ability would be less valuable at that position too. Best just to call him a glue guy and leave it at that.
 
The hope would be that he could just bully his way past flimsy bench SGs like our own Rodney Hood. But, as you say, he's not particularly skilled or quick for an SG by NBA standards, and his floor spacing ability would be less valuable at that position too. Best just to call him a glue guy and leave it at that.

I think Rodney Hood sucks to be honest lol. That's a topic for another day though lol.
 

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