2018 NFL Draft - Day 2 Thread

[Real Deal]

Honestly?

We took Baker Mayfield who is an undersized QB at 1, who needs to be in the most structured offense ever inaginiable to be successful. Good luck to him in our system.

Then we reach on Ward at #4....I’m the biggest tOSU fan you can imagine....Ward is good, but #4 was a reach. He’s slight of build and struggled at times at finding the football in man coverage (lots of PI). I’m OK with the pick, as I think he can be a good pro, but #4 was ridiculous IMO.

Then we get to second round and at #33 we take a projected guard. Of all the needs we have on this team, we decided Guard was the best position to fill?......awesome.

And at #35 we went with the RB who basically cost Georgia the national title because he couldn’t get north and south quick enough. Chubb was the product of an amazing O-line this year. In fact, of the 3 Georgia RB’s (Michel, Chubb, Swift) Chubb is probably by far the least desirable NFL prospect. He just doesn’t accelerate at the speed of a top-end back and he benefited beyond belief by an O-line that dominated at the college level. Michel was amazing in national title game. Chubb sucked......that’s actually being nice. Chubb sucked...he was AWFUL.

I honestly don’t think I can imagine much worse in the first two rounds. It’s been a nightmare.......but it’s the Browns so I prob should’ve just assumed the worse.

 

[billmac91]

If you watched the Georgia/Bama game you’d get it.......damn, Chubb was terrible. Because he doesn’t accelerate in the hole like you’d want from an elite RB. He’s got a poor quick burst, and while he succeeds after first contact, you have to understand his O-line dominated all year long and got him tonhe second level all day long. Just a terrible pick at #35. Terrible......

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Imagine making assumptions about a player based on one game.

 

[KardiacKat]

If you watched the Georgia/Bama game you’d get it.......damn, Chubb was terrible. Because he doesn’t accelerate in the hole like you’d want from an elite RB. He’s got a poor quick burst, and while he succeeds after first contact, you have to understand his O-line dominated all year long and got him tonhe second level all day long. Just a terrible pick at #35. Terrible......

We aren't going to be counting on him to be elite yet, he's in a 3 back system, Patriots and Eagles made the SB with the same way of rotating backs. Dorsey drafted Hunt last year and he turned out to be a pretty good rookie.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Imagine making assumptions about a player based on one game.

You mean like somebody who is second in the history of The University of Georgia in rushing behind Hershal Walker, averaging over six yards a carry, who look d tired a week after tearing up Oklahoma for 145 yards?

 

[billmac91]

We aren't going to be counting on him to be elite yet, he's in a 3 back system, Patriots and Eagles made the SB with the same way of rotating backs. Dorsey drafted Hunt last year and he turned out to be a pretty good rookie.

Hunt has quick twitch ability with great quick burst acceleration.

Chubb needs a hole to hit before he can get to high end acceleration. There’s a reason Michel was exceptional against Bama and Chubb was AWFUL. Chubb couldn’t hit the hole with enough speed, and the lack of quick burst acceleration made him a sitting duck against Bama.

Michel was the far better back (and I said the same thing months ago) because Sony could hit the hole at top end speed and redirect his momentum to find the tough yards between the tackles with his speed going forward.

Chubb is average at best....and average is being generous.

 

[Triple-S]

Here's the problem with the "reach" comments I'm seeing.

We..legitimately do not know what the collective draft boards of the league are. We don't. If we did? We would probably be able to judge this whole thing in such terms.

("Oh hey, on average? Teams had Bradley Chubb rated as the "x" ranked prospect on their boards")

As far as we know? Ward could have been the 2nd, 3rd or 4th rated prospect in the draft by many a team. Hell, my theory is that we had Barkley rated as the 2nd best prospect on the board. When he was gone? Ward came up and that's who we went with.

The reason we say "This was a reach" is we are going off of assumptions of the actions of other teams and a general draft board/mock draft done by McShay, Kiper, King and a few others.

The Browns drafted the guys they did because that's how they fell on their boards. It's as simple as that.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Most rankings I've seen had Ward as a top ten pick, so four isn't a huge reach for him. I only take issue with the pick because I think Chubb was a tier one guy and Ward a tier two guy. Don't hate it, but would have rather drafted Chubb at four.

 

[Triple-S]

I would also like to think that John Dorsey, Elliot Wolf, and Alonzo Highsmith generally know what they're doing.

I could be very wrong on that. Maybe we find out Haslam, and Hue pushed for Baker or something,while those 3 wanted Darnold. But I kinda doubt it.

I would think that the NFL, and Haslam hired those three (along with the other consultants) to figure out who indeed via every metric possible were the best players to take.

 

[Triple-S]

Most rankings I've seen had Ward as a top ten pick, so four isn't a huge reach for him. I only take issue with the pick because I think Chubb was a tier one guy and Ward a tier two guy. Don't hate it, but would have rather drafted Chubb at four.

Well yeah or I'd have bit on a trade with Buffalo.

But even that one was kinda "meh". Apparently you were not going to be able to get the haul you were expecting, which (the 2 1sts and the future number 1). Apparently there were only wanting to give up their 12th and 2 2nd rounders. Which is semi-meh to me.

Ward likely is off the board at 12. Nelson, Chubb, McGlinchey would have also been off the board. So you kept the blue chipper over getting more picks.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I would think that the NFL, and Haslam hired those three (along with the other consultants) to figure out who indeed via every metric possible were the best players to take.

We've been hoping our owners would hire competent management for twenty years now and and it still hasn't happened. Not saying it won't be these guys, and I hope it is, but it probably won't because our owners are fucking inept.

 

[Sebastian]

Why did Hubbard go so low?

I missed it because Fat Mason Rudolph's brother is so fucking hot.

What do you think @Hydroponic3385?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImF_qjpWzUQ

 

[AZ_]

View: https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/990053089439813633?s=21


Arden Key - no potential. Scrub.

Stand corrected.

Entered rehab voluntarily, that’s a Josh Allen-esque commitment to getting better.

 

[CleveRocks]

I think that Josh Rosen concerns were legit and clearly shared by many teams. If he is off our list for QB, Mayfield or Darnold are the only two options.. Allen being a total dice roll.. With that perspective, Mayfield looks like a defendable, if not good decision.. I think they had made this decision when they picked up Taylor, and I think Taylor's conservative style is what they will look for from Mayfield...

At four, we are legitimately considering Ward and Chubb. Chubb went 5, the next db is Minkah who went 11. Ward is consensus top ten, so it was not a real overreach. I personally would have taken Chubb, but I cant say our secondary doesn't need fixed, so I am pretty comfortable with the pick.

So round 2 you take what you think is best. I cant argue with a good oline guy. I am no good at evaluating this so I cant comment on good or bad

Then Chubb 2.0. Look Michel is off the board, and Guice did not come off until 59, after numerous other backs. I think Chubb is a gamble that he will rehab back to full strength. If he does, you get a blue chip player high second round. If not you did not lose that much..

I think we also need to see this draft through the lens of next year being improvement, but not a superbowl run.. If we go 6 and 6 that qualifies as a turnaround year, so we still draft decent and tweak the roster.So if Chubb gets good in 2019/2020, that's OK..

 

[Norm]

. If we go 6 and 6 that qualifies as a turnaround year, so we still draft decent and tweak the roster.So if Chubb gets good in 2019/2020, that's OK..

If we go 6 and 6, there's bigger problems in the world than just our team lol