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Certainly wouldn't be that flashy as a signing but I like the idea of signing Thomas Davis due to his familiarity with Wilks and the likelihood he could help our defense learn his schemes quicker. Even at his age, he still produces.
 
I'm not sure how much Thomas Davis has in the tank, but I hope that the Browns realize that they are in the position to bring in prime players and not guys in the twilight of their careers looking for that last paycheck.
 
I'm not sure how much Thomas Davis has in the tank, but I hope that the Browns realize that they are in the position to bring in prime players and not guys in the twilight of their careers looking for that last paycheck.

That is true, but it never hurts to bring in veterans to help this team out since we are still a really young team. I am sure though most of our targets will be players in the prime years outside of one or two solid veterans who can teach/lead the younger guys.
 
That is true, but it never hurts to bring in veterans to help this team out since we are still a really young team. I am sure though most of our targets will be players in the prime years outside of one or two solid veterans who can teach/lead the younger guys.

That was more my point. Our best players on defense are young guys so bringing in a few vets if the price is right is never a bad idea, especially if they can positively impact success in other ways as I referenced.
 
That was more my point. Our best players on defense are young guys so bringing in a few vets if the price is right is never a bad idea, especially if they can positively impact success in other ways as I referenced.
It helps that Thomas Davis is known to be one of the truly good people and good leaders in the NFL.
 
I was told Higgins was a good compliment at WR on this forum :chuckle:.
 
I know Greg Robinson sometimes looked competent when he didn’t look wholly inept, during a stretch in which the Browns looked good.

But a historically bad player protecting your investment in Mayfield is awfully concerning.

Is a LT really protecting Baker?

A strong interior OL, and a scheme predicated on spreading the ball around, and getting it out fast, will protect a QB more than any LT.

Example: Tom Brady.
 
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Is a LT really protecting Baker?

A strong interior OL, and a scheme predicated on spreading the ball around, and getting it out fast, will protect a QB more than any LT.

Example: Tom Brady.
Yeah, that’s fine until we have to face a team like the Rams where our three interior players will share Donald and Suh. That leaves your tackles one on one against pass rushers.

Or how about a team that just runs creative zones designed to slow down the offense? Remember when we played the Texans?

The Browns are not the only team with a good scheme. Baker is also not the best QB in the NFL. You cannot have weaknesses on the offensive line. And overpaying Greg Robinson because of his average pass protection is a mistake.

Browns need at least one more offensive linemen, and preferably one who can start at left tackle.
 
Is a LT really protecting Baker?

A strong interior OL, and a scheme predicated on spreading the ball around, and getting it out fast, will protect a QB more than any LT.

Example: Tom Brady.

Why do you think they draft a LT in Isaiah Wynn and traded for a tackle like Trent Brown?

Yes, its very important.


But why would you limit yourself to what you can do offensively by not establishing a good pair of Offensive Tackles to take away the outside pressure?

Especially in a play-action vertical offense like Kitchens and Monken play. It opens up a ton if you can provide more time.
 
How does dead money work? I've done research but just wondering if someone could clear it up in simple terms.

It makes sense if you cut them. But even if you trade someone, you still incur the same dead money that counts against the cap? For example, I was looking at Sammy Watkins and it's 14 million? Because of the signing bonus I guess? That makes him immovable I assume unless that doesn't count against the cap at once but even still.
 
How does dead money work? I've done research but just wondering if someone could clear it up in simple terms.

It makes sense if you cut them. But even if you trade someone, you still incur the same dead money that counts against the cap? For example, I was looking at Sammy Watkins and it's 14 million? Because of the signing bonus I guess? That makes him immovable I assume unless that doesn't count against the cap at once but even still.

I believe the "dead money" penalty is becaise of the guaranteed money/bonus they received, which is prorated over the life of the contract for cap purposes. If you cut or trade a guy, then the prorated amount of the guaranteed money/bonus remaining on the contract comes due. The acquiring team isn't responsible for the bonus because they didn't pay it.

I supose they could have done it differently, in which case you'd probably see a lot more "salary dump" deals like with Osweiler so teams could free up more cap room.
 
How does dead money work? I've done research but just wondering if someone could clear it up in simple terms.

It makes sense if you cut them. But even if you trade someone, you still incur the same dead money that counts against the cap? For example, I was looking at Sammy Watkins and it's 14 million? Because of the signing bonus I guess? That makes him immovable I assume unless that doesn't count against the cap at once but even still.

Long story short, whatever guaranteed money a player still has on his contract (most teams split signing bonuses evenly over the length of the contract) accelerates to the current year when they're cut or traded.

So in Watkins case, he got a 21M dollar signing bonus. He's already been paid 7M of that in 2018, so 14M of that 21M remains. He also has $8.21M of his 11.95M 2019 base salary also guaranteed.

If the Chiefs cut Watkins this offseason, that 22.21M would hit their 2019 cap immediately. If they trade him, they would be responsible for the remaining 14M signing bonus they guaranteed him immediately and the team acquiring him would be responsible for the 8.21M guaranteed on his base salary.
 
Any kickers out there we should look at?

Part of being a good football team is having a good reliable kicker.

Los mentioned Crosby before, if he's like the only vet worth it then he's better than Joseph.
 

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