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Josh Richardson, Dion (I know I know but he’s actually good with Spo), James Johnson are all much better than the Cavs 3rd, 4th, 5th best players. Charlotte depends on the development of Malik Monk for me, I personally don’t think Charlotte is better than the cavs though. But I do think the Heat are more talented and have a significant coaching advantage

Beside the coaching part i disagree with the Heat comparing. Specially the Dion part is ridiculous. He is still a chucker. Difference is that Spo manages to brake him down. . Josh Richardson is also meh...
 
It will be interesting to see who gets the last roster spot. Personally I'd like Kobi Simmons to get it. They brought Emanuel Terry in late which is interesting, maybe he will get John Holland's two way spot.
 
I'm fully convicned that Lue is a BAD basketball coach and detests Ante's game.

First of all, his unappreciation for Ante's game is real. Gives him 5 minutes to start the game, then around the 8-9 min mark he has him ready to sub out just to bring him back to the bench after TT makes a putback(why would you even do that?). Only inserts Ante around the 5 min mark.

Doesn't even start him in the second half and the way he tells him to play is just ridiculously stupid and unfair. He doesn't give him even one post touch. He gives him the exact same sets that he gives good lob targets like Nance and TT(dribble hand-offs, high PnR actions that don't even open up the pocket pass or the short roll action for him...Ante is not a good lob target, duh) instead of giving him the ball in the post to run an action or forces a smaller man against him in the post and just let him go to work. He didn't get one post touch -- other than that post move he made with 1 min left in the game where he was re-inserted for some reason-- the only post touch he got was to a dribble hand off. It's clear that he doesn't want him to post up because he didn't even ask for the ball one time in the post and I saw Lue continiously telling him to run up and sets screens for the ball handlers whenever he hung down low.

Lue has a chance to ruin Zizic because of his ineptness, stubborness and lack of apprecation for his game. Our offense is too guard and PnR heavy and the defense looks as bad as ever.

Cedi is by far our best defender and he will improve it...but it's trash. That's obvious.

Damn, that game made me angry even for a pre-season game. Had to write this fucking rant.
 
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I'm fully convicned that Lue is a BAD basketball coach and has a detest for Ante's game.

First of all, his unappreciation for Ante's game is real. Gives him 5 minutes to start the game, then around the 8-9 min mark he has him ready to sub out just to bring him back to the bench after TT makes a putback(why would you even do that?). Only inserts Ante around the 5 min mark.

Doesn't even start him in the second half and the way he tells him to play is just ridiculously stupid and unfair. He doesn't give him even one post touch. He gives him the exact same sets that he gives good lob targets like Nance and TT(dribble hand-offs, high PnR actions that don't even open up the pocket pass or the short roll action for him...Ante is not a good lob target, duh) instead of giving him the ball in the post to run an action or forces a smaller man against him in the post and just let him go to work. He didn't get one post touch -- other than that post move he made with 1 min left in the game where he was re-inserted for some reason-- the only post touch he got was to a dribble hand off. It's clear that he doesn't want him to post up because he didn't even ask for the ball one time in the post and I saw Lue continiously telling him to run up and sets screens for the ball handlers whenever he hung down low.

Lue has a chance to ruin Zizic because of his ineptness, stubborness and lack of apprecation for his game. Our offense is too guard and PnR heavy and the defense looks as bad as ever.

Cedi is by far our best defender and he will improve it...but it's trash. That's obvious.

Damn, that game made me angry even for a pre-season game. Had to write this fucking rant.
Zizic couldn't handle Drummond. the perimeter defense was horrible.

The guy just isn't ready for a full load.

on the offensive end Zizic isn't as aggressive moving without the ball as Nance and TT are,

I don't think your being objective. your ranting about Lue not letting zizic do any handoffs or lobs but zizic scored both on a pnr after he gave someone a handoff and zizic got fed a couple time time running in the key.. he also scored on a couple post plays.

your even complaining about a preseason rotation
Zizic still needs some work
 
Zizic couldn't handle Drummond. the perimeter defense was horrible.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Zizic did more than fine against Drummond when he was matched up against him in the first quarter with the first unit. Then, for some reason after full 5 minutes of play Lue decides to sub him out till the 5 min mark of the second quarter! He does it quite a lot with Zizic where he has him ready to sub in near the scorers table just to throw him right back to the bench. What's the reason for playing TT 14 mins straight in a pre-season game and have Zizic go back to the bench when he was already ready to sub in? Zizic looked fucking excellent in the first 5 minutes...on both ends of the floor.

Then, Lue's smart ass decides to match him up against Griffin and have Frye guard Drummond lol. Not to mention the fact that the refs give him absolutely zero respect. 4 of his fouls were bogus.

Some of yo uneed to look closely and see that a lot of Zizic's defensive "struggles" are the guards PnR defensive faults and lack of good weakside rotations. Zizic isn't going to block an athletic C's shot right under the rim coming from the weakside(definitely not with how he is being reffed), so stop putting him in that position. He can 200% be an effective defender and at times he looks like it.

The guy just isn't ready for a full load.

Bull...shit. I'd bet everything I have that Zizic would have looked like a fucking phenom on a well coached team that values him.

on the offensive end Zizic isn't as aggressive moving without the ball as Nance and TT are

Zizic is plenty aggressive moving without the ball in the half court, especially for a guy his size. What are you talking about? Didn't you see all the off-ball screens he was setting out there to free up Hood and Hill? But since he isn't a lob target and is surrounded by average passers at best, he just isn't able to get touches rolling to the rim. Is it so hard to give a player that big and with such good hands a bounce pass in the short roll? (had plenty of them playing with Lebron) Why is it hard to have an offensive scheme for Zizic that allows him to get touches and be effective at? why are we using the exact same sets for all 3 centers when Zizic is a completely different player with completely different set of tools and strengths? Zizic only got touches as a passer in dribble hand-offs and off of putbacks or in transition. Is it so hard to give him a good, deep touch in the post? is it that hard to force a smaller guy on him if you want even more efficiency from him? There is abolutely lack of interest from the coaching staff to play to Zizic's strengths. He would have absolutely torched whoever was guarding him in the post..guaranteed.

I don't think your being objective. your ranting about Lue not letting zizic do any handoffs or lobs but zizic scored both on a pnr after he gave someone a handoff and zizic got fed a couple time time running in the key.. he also scored on a couple post plays.

You didn't quite get me. I'm saying he gives Zizic too many hand-offs sets. This is not what he is great so why are you milking that kind of set all the time? you see that it doesn't create much separation for him as a roll man and the guards can't thread the needle. He isn't a hard roller, he doesn't effectively slip the screen or explodes as a lob target, so what's the point? Put him where he has the most gravity. Zizic is a smart roll man, but I have noticed that he is much better screening from either side (and even from a very high PnR) rather than screening from the top of the key. He can't explode hard enough or at times get good angles on his screens that close to the basket and from that angle. The defenders make easy rotations because of the small proximity between every player, and the players keep bumping him off and therefore he can't create enough separation as a roll man right now in these type of sets because the guards can't seem to make that type of pass.

I don't like Lue because I honestly think he is a bad all-around coach and that I KNOW he has a thing for certain players that just don't make sense to me. Yes, it's infuriating to me.

your even complaining about a preseason rotation
Zizic still needs some work

This wasn't a rotation. He had Zizic start, then sub him early after playing good, and theeen not start him at all in the secnd half. I'm telling you, Lue doesn't like Zizic. It almost seems to me like he is constantly trying to prove that he doesn't belong in the rotation.
 
Zizic couldn't handle Drummond. the perimeter defense was horrible.

The guy just isn't ready for a full load.

on the offensive end Zizic isn't as aggressive moving without the ball as Nance and TT are,

I don't think your being objective. your ranting about Lue not letting zizic do any handoffs or lobs but zizic scored both on a pnr after he gave someone a handoff and zizic got fed a couple time time running in the key.. he also scored on a couple post plays.

your even complaining about a preseason rotation
Zizic still needs some work
Nope to all of this. Lue couldn't handle Drummond and had players out of position.
 
Zizic was fine on Drummond,,,it was when that idiot Lue put Frye on Drummond and left Ante to defend Blake Griffin.
Only a complete moron would move a player like Ante to cover a multi faceted offensive player like Griffin. There was no way in hell
that was going to work. I generally dont' bash coaches but is he just trying to crush the kids confidence? I still don't think Lue is the coach to develop
any young players.
 
I generally dont' bash coaches but is he just trying to crush the kids confidence?

He doesn't do him any favors, that's for sure. It's like he intentionally puts him in a position to "fail", and when he does fuck up he uses it as an excuse to bench and "prove" that he doesn't fit.

Dude, as someone who had been coached professional by numerous coaches and watched basketball for too many hours a day, I have yet to see Lue actually call Ante to the side to encourage him or instruct him him in a positive manner, or just fucking clap in appreciation if he does something well. Lue doesn't do it very often for any player out there, but for Ante, it seems like he just doesn't use any form of positive reinforcement; just negative. And for someone who is that young who is foreign who barely gets playing time for mysterious reasons, it's a receipt for disaster.

We tend to forget, but they are just kids. And thing is, it's not like he is a bad young player that fucks up all over the court and doesn't do one thing well (former Croatian Bender for example who got plenty of opportunities despite being bad), Ante is actually fuckign great at a lot of things and is so, so talented for a 21 year old center. And i'm not saying that because I have some "bias" towards Lue or that I like Ante; I just recognize talent.
 
Going to be a long year going round and round and round.
 
Kind of bummed the team didn't dump Holland for a actual young player with upside for the 2nd Two Way contract.

Just curious who you thought should get it? I prolly would say Colson just because backup 4 is the biggest need And I could see them letting Dekker walk.

Kev is going to miss some time no doubt
 
Just curious who you thought should get it? I prolly would say Colson just because backup 4 is the biggest need And I could see them letting Dekker walk.

Kev is going to miss some time no doubt

Didn't matter. Could have made an argument for Colson or Kobi. Either would be better then Holland. Wouldn't even mind cutting Holland and signing a young guy who gets cut by another team. But wasting a two way spot (Meant for player development) on a thirty year old just seems stupid.
 
Didn't matter. Could have made an argument for Colson or Kobi. Either would be better then Holland. Wouldn't even mind cutting Holland and signing a young guy who gets cut by another team. But wasting a two way spot (Meant for player development) on a thirty year old just seems stupid.

I wonder if the front office will just convert Holland over to normal NBA contract. He at least looked like he could contribute to an NBA team right now. He could be addition trade filler and could be cut if need be down the road if we need a roster spot. It could then allow the Cavs to use the two way on a developmental player.

I'm assuming the last roster spot will be for a waived player from another team or to take on another player via trade. I know the clippers have 16 players with guaranteed money and 5 of them are point guards.
 
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