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This really goes without saying, but the NFL is a pass-happy offensive league now. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would want to draft a DT in the top 15 of the draft. How many DT's are there in the NFL that really make a big-time impact on games? Not many IMO. Unless you think that DT is an absolute can't miss stud (does that even exist?), I think it's insane to draft one that high.

In the top 15 you really should be looking for guys that have largest impact on the passing game... QB, WR, LT, passing rushing DE, CB, LB's that can cover. Interior lineman on offense and defense are the last guys any team should be drafting that high. You can find those guys later on in the draft and in free agency (Hell, we even signed one in Zeitler).
 
Interior pressure is very valuable; a guy whom can generate it to the degree Oliver does would absolutely be worth that slot, imo.

If we draft a defensive stud the argument is applicable either way: You conceivably tie up a ton of money on the line or in the secondary.

Not sure I take a different position solely at the expense of that concern.
 
Interior pressure is very valuable; a guy whom can generate it to the degree Oliver does would absolutely be worth that slot, imo.

If we draft a defensive stud the argument is applicable either way: You conceivably tie up a ton of money on the line or in the secondary.

Not sure I take a different position solely at the expense of that concern.

No doubt interior pressure is valuable... It just seems like there are very few guys that provide it on a consistent enough basis to be worthy of a top 15 pick.
 
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This really goes without saying, but the NFL is a pass-happy offensive league now. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would want to draft a DT in the top 15 of the draft. How many DT's are there in the NFL that really make a big-time impact on games? Not many IMO. Unless you think that DT is an absolute can't miss stud (does that even exist?), I think it's insane to draft one that high.

In the top 15 you really should be looking for guys that have largest impact on the passing game... QB, WR, LT, passing rushing DE, CB, LB's that can cover. Interior lineman on offense and defense are the last guys any team should be drafting that high. You can find those guys later on in the draft and in free agency (Hell, we even signed one in Zeitler).
Agree with everything but the last point...

Most new studies of offensive lines suggest that interior linemen play an equally sized role in pass protection as tackles. This is a more recent finding, but it is pretty straightforward, opponents use their best pass rushers against the weak spots on the line. Also, because interior linemen are the the most important blockers on screen passes, and screens are increasingly important, this also plays a role.

@priceFTW and I have talked a lot about this. He can probably elaborate much better than I can.
 
This really goes without saying, but the NFL is a pass-happy offensive league now. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would want to draft a DT in the top 15 of the draft. How many DT's are there in the NFL that really make a big-time impact on games? Not many IMO. Unless you think that DT is an absolute can't miss stud (does that even exist?), I think it's insane to draft one that high.

In the top 15 you really should be looking for guys that have largest impact on the passing game... QB, WR, LT, passing rushing DE, CB, LB's that can cover. Interior lineman on offense and defense are the last guys any team should be drafting that high. You can find those guys later on in the draft and in free agency (Hell, we even signed one in Zeitler).

If it weren't for the two IDP leagues I'm in, I'm pretty sure I couldn't name a DT other than Aaron Donald or guys who play for the Browns.
 
We do need another TE as I’ve stated all along Seth Devalve aka big foot sucks. I would have rather kept Cajuste (just because he’s cheaper). That’s not a first round need though, more of middle of the draft need. I do like Charles and Fells though. We really need a number 1 wr, I think @AZ_ stated their really isn’t one in FA or the draft though. I’d rather not reach on that.

I’d take whoever the BPA is regardless of need outside of qb for the most part. Especially if it’s an elite talent, you take the elite talent. You can’t worry about having 2 dominate corners or positions like that.
 
TJ Hockenson or bust.
 
There’s a lot of different directions the Browns could go with their top few picks.

The only spots they definitely don’t need are QB, RB, MLB, FS and interior OL.

I could see LT, WR, DE, DT or CB in the first round depending on who Dorsey and his crew think is the best overall player.
 
There’s a lot of different directions the Browns could go with their top few picks.

The only spots they definitely don’t need are QB, RB, MLB, FS and interior OL.

I could see LT, WR, DE, DT or CB in the first round depending on who Dorsey and his crew think is the best overall player.

That’s the great thing about this draft in particular. There’s enough top end talents (sans maybe WR) that there’s going to be someone available that should make a significant impact on this team.

Would love to see Josh Allen on this team, but I doubt we’ll see him make it that far.
 
Do the Browns have enough talent yet to warrant trading up for one more stud prospect rather than simply stockpiling on picks in mid-late rounds?

I know sometimes you see teams who believe they're one more blue chip away from making their run. I personally rarely, if ever, agree with these moves, but could we see the Browns make one?
 
Do the Browns have enough talent yet to warrant trading up for one more stud prospect rather than simply stockpiling on picks in mid-late rounds?

I know sometimes you see teams who believe they're one more blue chip away from making their run. I personally rarely, if ever, agree with these moves, but could we see the Browns make one?

More likely than that, I could see the Browns doing what they did last year which was flip extra mid-round picks (3rd for Tyrod, 4th for Landry) for established veterans that teams are looking to unload.
 
This really goes without saying, but the NFL is a pass-happy offensive league now. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would want to draft a DT in the top 15 of the draft. How many DT's are there in the NFL that really make a big-time impact on games? Not many IMO. Unless you think that DT is an absolute can't miss stud (does that even exist?), I think it's insane to draft one that high.

In the top 15 you really should be looking for guys that have largest impact on the passing game... QB, WR, LT, passing rushing DE, CB, LB's that can cover. Interior lineman on offense and defense are the last guys any team should be drafting that high. You can find those guys later on in the draft and in free agency (Hell, we even signed one in Zeitler).

You are not wrong that DT isn't worth top 15 if they cant get interior pressure. I have not looked at the DT's in this draft yet, I am saying though that if we could find a 290lb athletic DT and they are available when we draft, that would be my number 1 desire.

If such a player doesn't exist, you move on. Its about BPA and team needs the first 3 rounds both. If the BPA in the 1st is a QB or RB, you don't draft them because we have zero need for that position as a starter.

That said I wouldn't mind a 6th or 7th round QB or RB. The RB would help on special teams right away and help with depth, the QB would be good to develop as a backup.

In a funny twist over the last 10 years the Browns have been horrible at drafting a starting QB until last year, but I look at the rosters and we are rock stars at drafting a backup QB, lol
 
Do the Browns have enough talent yet to warrant trading up for one more stud prospect rather than simply stockpiling on picks in mid-late rounds?

I know sometimes you see teams who believe they're one more blue chip away from making their run. I personally rarely, if ever, agree with these moves, but could we see the Browns make one?

No way, we need our picks, especially our first 3 rounds, we need better starters and better depth. Best way to get talented starters is through the draft, Depth can be done through the draft and free agency.
 
Do the Browns have enough talent yet to warrant trading up for one more stud prospect rather than simply stockpiling on picks in mid-late rounds?

I know sometimes you see teams who believe they're one more blue chip away from making their run. I personally rarely, if ever, agree with these moves, but could we see the Browns make one?

I would say yes and no.

What I mean by that is, we have a lot of talent on the roster but I don't look at the available talent near the top of the draft and think there's the right fit for this roster.

If Calvin Johnson were in this draft? Sure......but the Browns glaring needs can all be filled with quality guys at our available draft slots IMO.
 
Do the Browns have enough talent yet to warrant trading up for one more stud prospect rather than simply stockpiling on picks in mid-late rounds?

I know sometimes you see teams who believe they're one more blue chip away from making their run. I personally rarely, if ever, agree with these moves, but could we see the Browns make one?

I actually wouldn’t be afraid to move multiple picks if it’s for a player of a Garrett caliber actually. I am not usually one to trade up but down to find more players so I think we could make a move if the player is a franchise one. Also Dorsey isn’t afraid to make the moves to get the players he needs with cap space, and less holes to fill (we don’t have as many as some people say) we could easily move up from 15-20 range into the top 10 to get the player we really want.
 

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