2019 NBA Draft

[Ozone]

I think we need lottery luck to be talking about Zion at this point.
I'm looking at the argument between Barrett and Ja and who makes the most sense on the roster.
If they decide they are content with Sexton as a microwave I'd take Ja. If not and they want to continue to develop Sexton
to be the pg of the future I'm taking Barrett.
Course the pick could be at 4 or 5 then who the heck makes sense: Reddish who is far from nba ready, Culver who has less upside, or do they pull a Waiters type selection and take Kevin Porter or Nas Little both high upside but not expected to go that high/
I would look at Coby White or Jaxson Hayes in that range myself.

 

[Kiddo]

I think we need lottery luck to be talking about Zion at this point.
I'm looking at the argument between Barrett and Ja and who makes the most sense on the roster.
If they decide they are content with Sexton as a microwave I'd take Ja. If not and they want to continue to develop Sexton
to be the pg of the future I'm taking Barrett.
Course the pick could be at 4 or 5 then who the heck makes sense: Reddish who is far from nba ready, Culver who has less upside, or do they pull a Waiters type selection and take Kevin Porter or Nas Little both high upside but not expected to go that high/
I would look at Coby White or Jaxson Hayes in that range myself.

I'd be all over Coby White in the 4-6 range.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I'd be all over Coby White in the 4-6 range.

Am I one of the only people on the planet that is more luke warm on White?

He gets a ton of credit for being a great shooter, while actually being an average one. There aren't many good outcomes with low FT attempt guards, who rely almost exclusively on outside shooting to provide offensive value. His (.283) FTA per FGA is incredibly low.....and he just has relatively average assist totals and AST/TO averages for a guard. On defense, he has pedestrian BLK+STL/PF numbers.......slightly worse than Barrett, who is bagged on as a complete zero on defense.

If he sees a fall off or merely stagnation in his shooting, what is he? A backup SG/PG? He has a higher reliance on 3PT makes to provide scoring value than notorious chuckers like Marcus Howard and Carson Edwards, while being a significantly worse FT shooter and significantly worse at generating FT attempts.

I think he's worth taking a gamble on, tools wise, at the end of the lottery but 4-6, even in a wide open draft, would be pretty wild to me. White's profile fails a lot at the next level. The draft graveyard is littered with high 3PT volume, non FT generating, average shooting combo players with good athletic tools.

I just really dislike drafting players with non elite scoring rates, who need to score to provide offensive value. Generally, those types of players just do not work out in the NBA. I guess his rise speaks more to the draft pool and how unusual it is this year 4-14. In a normal year, I don't even think someone like White gets in to the lottery, given his statistical profile and projection as more of a 2 than a 1......and this year some people might talk themselves in to him in the mid lottery. I don't envy the GM's in that range.

 

[Ozone]

Am I one of the only people on the planet that is more luke warm on White?

He gets a ton of credit for being a great shooter, while actually being an average one. There aren't many good outcomes with low FT attempt guards, who rely almost exclusively on outside shooting to provide offensive value. His (.283) FTA per FGA is incredibly low.....and he just has relatively average assist totals and AST/TO averages for a guard. On defense, he has pedestrian BLK+STL/PF numbers.......slightly worse than Barrett, who is bagged on as a complete zero on defense.

If he sees a fall off or merely stagnation in his shooting, what is he? A backup SG/PG? He has a higher reliance on 3PT makes to provide scoring value than notorious chuckers like Marcus Howard and Carson Edwards, while being a significantly worse FT shooter and significantly worse at generating FT attempts.

I think he's worth taking a gamble on, tools wise, at the end of the lottery but 4-6, even in a wide open draft, would be pretty wild to me. White's profile fails a lot at the next level. The draft graveyard is littered with high 3PT volume, non FT generating, average shooting combo players with good athletic tools.

I just really dislike drafting players with non elite scoring rates, who need to score to provide offensive value. Generally, those types of players just do not work out in the NBA. I guess his rise speaks more to the draft pool and how unusual it is this year 4-14. In a normal year, I don't even think someone like White gets in to the lottery, given his statistical profile and projection as more of a 2 than a 1......and this year some people might talk themselves in to him in the mid lottery. I don't envy the GM's in that range.

He should get to the line more because he shoots 79% .But I also see him making adjustments mid air to finish and avoid defenders better than most guards.He isn't like Reddish who just runs into defenders. White has shown the ability to impact the game in transition more than anything with his size and speed.
I definitely think you have some good points there, but I don't agree he is a volume 3 pt. shooter at all. I see a balanced 2 way combo guard with good court vision and a good egg for defense that has a lot of upside and should easily be considered a better prospect because of it than a lot of the other one's pegged in the range. Maybe in most drafts you wouldn't touch him that high,but this isn't most drafts. I doubt he goes later than 10th

 

[Nathan S]

Am I one of the only people on the planet that is more luke warm on White?

He gets a ton of credit for being a great shooter, while actually being an average one. There aren't many good outcomes with low FT attempt guards, who rely almost exclusively on outside shooting to provide offensive value. His (.283) FTA per FGA is incredibly low.....and he just has relatively average assist totals and AST/TO averages for a guard. On defense, he has pedestrian BLK+STL/PF numbers.......slightly worse than Barrett, who is bagged on as a complete zero on defense.

If he sees a fall off or merely stagnation in his shooting, what is he? A backup guard PG? He has a higher reliance on 3PT makes to provide scoring value than notorious chuckers like Marcus Howard and Carson Edwards, while being a significantly worse FT shooter and significantly worse at generating FT attempts.

I think he's worth taking a gamble on, tools wise, at the end of the lottery but 4-6, even in a wide open draft, would be pretty wild to me. White's profile fails a lot at the next level. The draft graveyard is littered with high 3PT volume, non FT generating, average shooting combo players with good athletic tools.

I just really dislike drafting players with non elite scoring rates, who need to score to provide offensive value. Generally, those types of players just do not work out in the NBA. I guess his rise speaks more to the draft pool and how unusual it is this year 4-14. In a normal year, I don't even think someone like White gets in to the lottery, given his statistical profile and projection as more of a 2 than a 1......and this year some people might talk themselves in to him in the mid lottery. I don't envy the GM's in that range.

Tend to agree...I think Jerome is pretty much a finished-product version of White, and why spend a lottery pick on White and develop him for 2-3 years if you could draft Jerome with a late first and get the same impact right away?

 

[MoFlo]

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"Zion Williams"

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Am I one of the only people on the planet that is more luke warm on White?

He gets a ton of credit for being a great shooter, while actually being an average one. There aren't many good outcomes with low FT attempt guards, who rely almost exclusively on outside shooting to provide offensive value. His (.283) FTA per FGA is incredibly low.....and he just has relatively average assist totals and AST/TO averages for a guard. On defense, he has pedestrian BLK+STL/PF numbers.......slightly worse than Barrett, who is bagged on as a complete zero on defense.

If he sees a fall off or merely stagnation in his shooting, what is he? A backup SG/PG? He has a higher reliance on 3PT makes to provide scoring value than notorious chuckers like Marcus Howard and Carson Edwards, while being a significantly worse FT shooter and significantly worse at generating FT attempts.

I think he's worth taking a gamble on, tools wise, at the end of the lottery but 4-6, even in a wide open draft, would be pretty wild to me. White's profile fails a lot at the next level. The draft graveyard is littered with high 3PT volume, non FT generating, average shooting combo players with good athletic tools.

I just really dislike drafting players with non elite scoring rates, who need to score to provide offensive value. Generally, those types of players just do not work out in the NBA. I guess his rise speaks more to the draft pool and how unusual it is this year 4-14. In a normal year, I don't even think someone like White gets in to the lottery, given his statistical profile and projection as more of a 2 than a 1......and this year some people might talk themselves in to him in the mid lottery. I don't envy the GM's in that range.

Also........

WAs there ever a good player named White? Coby White is a generic ass name and his looks make him look like a created 2k mypark player.

 

[Nathan S]

Another good clip showing how bouncy and nimble Goga's gotten on defense. Should be emphasized that he's not simply a rim protector, but a versatile, modern defensive 5.

 

[Smooth]

I'm in agreeance @I'mWithDan on the Coby White take...

He's a fun watch, I've termed him "speed&three", but whenever I watched him I questioned if he's really a starting level player or really more of a combo guard scorer off the bench... Which again, if that's what you're looking for then he could provide some really good value--I mean look at what Lou Williams has done... But to me, he's likely a fourth tier player (Zion being 1, Ja/Barret being 2 and the next lump of wings being tier 3)... You can find those type of players if you really need them and likely at a lower investment cost... I'd rather be in on a player who I think has a higher ceiling and stronger value to team building...

Similar to my belief with Little, I really think he would be well served to go back to Carolina and show off next year he can run a team... Right now you're projecting him as a scoring guard and wondering what else he can do offensively...

The one thing that's working in White's favor is that it's a weak PG class behind Morant... I haven't watched any of Darius Garland yet, but no reason to think he couldn't help himself in workouts vs. Tre Jones and Shamorie Ponds and Ty Jerome.. There's a lot of lotto teams that need point guards so with that said, I'd be more surprised if he doesn't come out..

 

[2 For The Brew]

Also........

WAs there ever a good player named White? Coby White is a generic ass name and his looks make him look like a created 2k mypark player.

Jo jo White has two rings, seven all star appearances and is in the hall of fame.

Saw the Cavaliers beat him and his teammates in the ECF at the Coliseum.

 

[catfish]

Jo jo White has two rings, seven all star appearances and is in the hall of fame.

Saw the Cavaliers beat him and his teammates in the ECF at the Coliseum.

That sounds good but we lost that series. I was there for game 6

 

[Nathan S]

Plotted estimated offensive (x-axis) and defensive (y-axis) ceilings for all interesting 2019 prospects. Happy to add more guys, but I think this is a pretty generous set. Obviously a handful of them are still in action and could help or hurt their projections somewhat from here.

 

[I'mWithDan]

The one thing that's working in White's favor is that it's a weak PG class behind Morant... I haven't watched any of Darius Garland yet, but no reason to think he couldn't help himself in workouts vs. Tre Jones and Shamorie Ponds and Ty Jerome.. There's a lot of lotto teams that need point guards so with that said, I'd be more surprised if he doesn't come out..

If he's getting remotely good advice, he should 100% be coming out.

This class is weaker and next is a more typical / plus year (with potential 1st round PG's/Combo players).

It's an early look but White would need to really improve to be the second PG/Combo guard taken in 2020.

 

[2 For The Brew]

That sounds good but we lost that series. I was there for game 6

Jo Jo White hit some big shots late in the 4th quarter of Game 6.

That was a one-year window for us which closed when Chones broke his foot.

Truthfully we had a team of no names that somehow overcame a star-studded Bullets team and played a pretty good Celtics team tough as well. Really special group of guys that overachieved as much as any Cleveland team.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Jo Jo White hit some big shots late in the 4th quarter of Game 6.

Truthfully we had a team of no names that somehow overcame a star-studded Bullets team and played a pretty good Celtics team tough as well. Really special group of guys that overachieved as much as any Cleveland team.

That's why I've always hated the celtics.

My memory is terrible. Was that the unseld, gus Johnson, pearl team? Earl was like my favorite player back in the day. Him and Dave Bing. Lol