-
Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.
2019 NBA Draft
- Thread starter Nathan S
- Start date
I agree that it's normal for a player his age to have distinct weaknesses to his game, but I think it's a mistake to focus on prospects' strengths. Overlooking weaknesses is a great way to draft a bust. Sometimes the well-rounded guys end up being better players when it's all said and done.
And for context, I'm saying this as a guy who's a fan of Bol and would probably pick him #2 overall after Zion.
Last edited:
CavsFan07
NBA Starter
- Joined
- Dec 16, 2011
- Messages
- 1,771
- Reaction score
- 2,741
- Points
- 113
I stated early in the college basketball season I'm a fan of Bol and some people on here dogged the heck out of me for it.
Like I've said before ---- besides Zion, he has the potential to be the most transcendent player in this draft.
Like I've said before ---- besides Zion, he has the potential to be the most transcendent player in this draft.
TyGuy
Make America a good boy again.
- Joined
- Apr 17, 2005
- Messages
- 14,339
- Reaction score
- 13,728
- Points
- 123
Barett is looking a lot like a better passing worse shooting Harrison Barnes. He hasn't been impressive early. Reddish and Zion have looked like better prospects to me. Although both come with warts and are far from a sure thing.
Reddish can't get to the freethrow line and i'm not sure how effective Zion will be a the next level because he isn't a good shooter and he just bullies people. Zion is a better than expected passer though. Id feel more comfortable with him as a sure bet star if he showed elite defense because that is where bigs are truly valuable in the NBA.
Reddish can't get to the freethrow line and i'm not sure how effective Zion will be a the next level because he isn't a good shooter and he just bullies people. Zion is a better than expected passer though. Id feel more comfortable with him as a sure bet star if he showed elite defense because that is where bigs are truly valuable in the NBA.
LeeBuckeye
NBA Starter
- Joined
- Feb 1, 2016
- Messages
- 2,034
- Reaction score
- 2,860
- Points
- 113
You think we might get to a point where we hyper-analyze R.J. Barrett's game and he gets pushed down in the draft because the other two get to essentially hide their flaws behind Coach K's inability to reign in Barrett? I really feel this is the case and that R.J. STILL translates the best out of the three. I like Cam but his inability to drive to the basket at the college level without having college players drapped all over him is concerning (At least R.J. is driving into 4 players LMAO).
Does Zion have anything on offense besides a hard drive to his right then spin move to the left and finish with a left hand? It can't be stopped at THIS level but that will clearly change at the next level.
TyGuy
Make America a good boy again.
- Joined
- Apr 17, 2005
- Messages
- 14,339
- Reaction score
- 13,728
- Points
- 123
I think if you combined the strengths of Reddish and Barrett you would have a hell of a player. Yea, I too have a concern about Cam's ability to get to the basket in the half court and I do like Barrett's motor a lot more than I like Cam's.
Here's a summary of possible sleepers as identified by my draft rater. Players in green are "light sleepers" who I think I've seen in the first round of least one mock draft but who don't appear to be consensus lottery picks, and the rest are "deep sleepers" who are not (as far as I'm aware) considered top prospects but could start to show up on mocks if they continue to play well.
Major conference
Mid-Major (some may have weak SOS, may be overrated by 1-3 points)
Low-Major (usually very weak SOS, generally overrated by 3-8 points)
Major conference
Mid-Major (some may have weak SOS, may be overrated by 1-3 points)
Low-Major (usually very weak SOS, generally overrated by 3-8 points)
I like him; he juuuuust missed the cutoff for my sleeper list at +2.7. Not sure about his fit on the Cavs though...like Sexton he's a very score-first guard.
I'mWithDan
"Straight Cash Homie"
- Joined
- Jul 21, 2010
- Messages
- 11,828
- Reaction score
- 23,852
- Points
- 135
I have a lot of trouble with Bol Bol. His value on defense is rim protection but he's seemingly not quick enough laterally to help off a stretch 4 or 5 and challenge a shot on the perimeter. And if he's just pulled away from the basket on most important possessions, or pushed out of the paint via NBA defensive rules, it certainly dampens his value. I also think his on ball defense, both inside and on the perimeter will really be hampered by his frame. Not sure how he absorbs contact from an NBA big or wing but obviously, he's young and can fill out to a degree.
He's an incredibly intriguing guy, when you look at his individual skills, I just don't know how to project him at the next level. Is he a taller, poor mans Chris Bosh? Is he a bigger, slower version of Durant? More limited laterally Porzingis? What player makes you guys think he can be successful?
I think he's probably the default #3 at this point, simply because of his combination of frame and skill, I just have trouble envisioning him at the next level given his strength (coupled with his lateral) limitations.
He's an incredibly intriguing guy, when you look at his individual skills, I just don't know how to project him at the next level. Is he a taller, poor mans Chris Bosh? Is he a bigger, slower version of Durant? More limited laterally Porzingis? What player makes you guys think he can be successful?
I think he's probably the default #3 at this point, simply because of his combination of frame and skill, I just have trouble envisioning him at the next level given his strength (coupled with his lateral) limitations.
3 Ball...GOT IT
#CediSZN
- Joined
- Feb 3, 2012
- Messages
- 4,179
- Reaction score
- 2,215
- Points
- 113
Welcome to Culver Island.
I'mWithDan
"Straight Cash Homie"
- Joined
- Jul 21, 2010
- Messages
- 11,828
- Reaction score
- 23,852
- Points
- 135
Was nice to at least see Barrett bounce back after a few underwhelming games. He has shown well against the NBA wings he's gone against......and would have categorized as really well had he not just combusted in to explosive diarrhea at the end of the Gonzaga game. He had a couple nice defensive possessions last night where he stone walled Langford. Then he also had a handful of possession where he made maddeningly lazy plays that led to TO's (including one that made Coach K throw his jacket at a poor student manager). Still needs better possession by possession effort on D but at least showed more than zero effort there last night.
Zion.....I still watch him and think "is he capable of doing this at the NBA level?".....shooting 8-9 layups or dunks each game? Because his jumper is hot garbage and that really limits his offensive ceiling. Had a friend at the game that said he was just air-balling shots in warmups on the outside. Yikes. He does soooooooooo many things well and his athletic talent is tantalizing but man, guys aren't going to go within 5-6 feet of him out on the perimeter, at the next level. He has to prove he can make a shot outside of 4 feet.
Zion is also incredibly maddening defending on the perimeter......he has this weird habit of guarding with his hands at his sides, like his arms have both fallen asleep and they are just flapping in the wind. He makes so many athletic defensive plays, that he would seem to be potentially game changing on that end if he just displayed better fundamentals and a defensive stance away from the hoop.
Cam, someone see if he's checked in to witness protection? Seeing him get his shit thrown inside is really frustrating. He needs to understand his limitations athletically and work on his hard 2 dribble pull up or a floater. He's just going to be a catch and shoot player at the NBA level if he doesn't swallow his pride and work on his closeout counters in the mid range. As they have played more athletic teams, he has looked glued to the floor on his drives and he's going to see even better athletes in the NBA. His 2PT splits are utterly horrendous. Anyone have his finishing stats at the rim? I cant seem to find updated ones but I would imagine they are next level bad.
Maybe this sounds overly negative but it is not. Zion and Barrett are both frustrating to watch, because there's clearly a next level there that attention to detail and lack of effort are limiting factors. Cam, I think, just has physical limitations (functional athleticism off the dribble) that he has less control over but Zion and RJ just don't play hard all the time. It doesn't help that Coach K is running RJ in to the ground, with him playing 80% of the game minutes but he just has to give more consistent effort. Obviously, some of it is a bi-product of kicking teams' asses but Duke's defensive culture needs to be a lot better if they are going to advance deep in to the tournament.
Zion.....I still watch him and think "is he capable of doing this at the NBA level?".....shooting 8-9 layups or dunks each game? Because his jumper is hot garbage and that really limits his offensive ceiling. Had a friend at the game that said he was just air-balling shots in warmups on the outside. Yikes. He does soooooooooo many things well and his athletic talent is tantalizing but man, guys aren't going to go within 5-6 feet of him out on the perimeter, at the next level. He has to prove he can make a shot outside of 4 feet.
Zion is also incredibly maddening defending on the perimeter......he has this weird habit of guarding with his hands at his sides, like his arms have both fallen asleep and they are just flapping in the wind. He makes so many athletic defensive plays, that he would seem to be potentially game changing on that end if he just displayed better fundamentals and a defensive stance away from the hoop.
Cam, someone see if he's checked in to witness protection? Seeing him get his shit thrown inside is really frustrating. He needs to understand his limitations athletically and work on his hard 2 dribble pull up or a floater. He's just going to be a catch and shoot player at the NBA level if he doesn't swallow his pride and work on his closeout counters in the mid range. As they have played more athletic teams, he has looked glued to the floor on his drives and he's going to see even better athletes in the NBA. His 2PT splits are utterly horrendous. Anyone have his finishing stats at the rim? I cant seem to find updated ones but I would imagine they are next level bad.
Maybe this sounds overly negative but it is not. Zion and Barrett are both frustrating to watch, because there's clearly a next level there that attention to detail and lack of effort are limiting factors. Cam, I think, just has physical limitations (functional athleticism off the dribble) that he has less control over but Zion and RJ just don't play hard all the time. It doesn't help that Coach K is running RJ in to the ground, with him playing 80% of the game minutes but he just has to give more consistent effort. Obviously, some of it is a bi-product of kicking teams' asses but Duke's defensive culture needs to be a lot better if they are going to advance deep in to the tournament.
Nas Little...yikes. I don't know who's been more disappointing between him, Reddish, and Barrett (yes, I know Barrett's been the best of the three, but he's been equally disappointing given how hyped he was).