2019 NFL Draft: Day 3 Discussion

[Hurl Bruce]

I'm underwhelmed with this draft.

 

[FiveThous]

I'm underwhelmed with this draft.

Outside of Greedy and Mack Wilson, you it seems kinda meh. Happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I actually think if you include Greedy and Wilson, this draft is kind of meh.

But, that's fine. Good teams go into drafts getting guys who might to produce year 1, and the only guy I think will get a legit shot is Greedy. Everyone else is a down the line guy. Which is kind of a bummer but oh well, I guess their board didn't line up with some of their holes.

 

[Chris]

I’m with Dorsey.

 

[Lee]

I actually think if you include Greedy and Wilson, this draft is kind of meh.

But, that's fine. Good teams go into drafts getting guys who might to produce year 1, and the only guy I think will get a legit shot is Greedy. Everyone else is a down the line guy. Which is kind of a bummer but oh well, I guess their board didn't line up with some of their holes.

I actually think we got good value.

We are used to having literally multiple first and 2nd round picks, this year had one mid 2nd pick and one mid 3rd round pick.

We got allot of value in Greedy and Wilson, sure our 3rd round pick is an unknown, but if you consider our 1st round pick became Odell and got a 1st round value in Greedy, its a good draft.

NE has not exciting drafts all the time, but a couple years later, those 3rd and 4th round picks turn into good players.

We will see, but I am guessing we get 2 or 3 starters out of this draft and a couple other solid players then a few that turn into nothing, but still a solid but boring draft outside of Greedy.

 

[TheLand1287]

I'm underwhelmed with this draft.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this, but tell me what picks YOU would have made with the draft capital the Browns had to where you would've felt good about it. FiveThous and Amherst can chime in as well. I'm not saying those critical are wrong. I'm just interested to know what you would've done differently.

The way I see it... this was a weak class overall. It was strong at RB and WR in the mid rounds, which happened to be an area the Browns had most of their picks and zero need for those positions. My only real moment of feeling underwhelmed at the time was Takitaki in the 3rd, but all of the guys I really liked went before him anyway. I wasn't that hung up on any one player when they took him at 80. Also, the more I've read up and watched film on him, the more I'm on board with the pick. They needed a speed linebacker who can cover and he filled that need.

Greedy and Mack were not only BPA but also positions of need. Redwine was drafted at a position of need and tests very well analytically. This team maybe makes the playoffs last year with a good kicker. That position was a glaring hole, IMO. Let's hope Siebert is that guy to fill it long term.

6th and 7th rounders aren't worth getting upset over, but I do like the OL from SE Missouri as a development prospect. Which at that point in the draft is exactly what you should be looking for. Not going to lose sleep over a 7th round pick, but I would've liked to see a DT there. As mentioned by many others the DT backup depth is an area that needs addressed. Also, I really wanted Mike Weber as an RB3/insurance policy in case they trade Duke and/or Hunt can't get right, but he went a few picks before the Browns pick.

 

[The Oi]

Redwine is a name that plays well with female fans

 

[Douglar]

I'm underwhelmed with this draft.

I am not overwhelmed or underwhelmed. Dorsey got good value at positions of need with only a few asterisks and caveats and then took some fliers. I guess that makes me sufficiently whelmed.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I am not overwhelmed or underwhelmed. Dorsey got good value at positions of need with only a few asterisks and caveats and then took some fliers. I guess that makes me sufficiently whelmed.

I'm not gonna pretend I know shit about most of these guys to begin with.

 

[kriegs]

Not sure about these late late picks but I think you’re seeing guys in Takitaki and Redwine who might not jump off the prospect ranking list but still check a lot of boxes.

Above average athletes.
Average to above average college production.
Character & team leaders (at least what I’ve heard, don’t know them obviously).

I like that they are taking guys who have that athleticism+production combo with hopes of working out a couple issues that showed up on tape. Makes a lot of sense I think. Solid approach even if they don’t pan out.

 

[sportscoach]

Sorry a little late, but that is the part of things you cannot teach and if you look at his body, he really isn't one of the OLine guys with a beer belly either. He has all the stuff you cannot teach, now can he learn what he needs to learn?

 

[Jordan]

Drafting a kicker has all kinds of analytics written all over it. Place kicking is one of the most important positions in the game and teams fill it with undrafted players and walk ons, probably because even though they use their feet, they aint really football players and scouts are not good at picking them. I’m fine with the choice.

Not sure if a 5th round DT would make a big difference if there’s an injury. A vet would be a much better choice. But they should consider getting someone on a rookie contract next draft for financial safety.

Drafting a kicker has no analytics written on it. It provides the second least amount to wins out of any position and the best provide little more than a replacement level kicker. This was the only pick in the Browns’ draft that could not be justified with analytics.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this, but tell me what picks YOU would have made with the draft capital the Browns had to where you would've felt good about it. FiveThous and Amherst can chime in as well. I'm not saying those critical are wrong. I'm just interested to know what you would've done differently.

I'm sure some guys would have preferred different players at those slots because most people who follow the draft have their guys who they preferred.

Fan picks seem to include a higher percentage of name guys who had the most hype pre-draft. The traditional perception and post-draft evaluation seem to be that if you got in the 4th round someone who the draftniks said should go in the 2nd, that was a good "value" pick.

I suspect the historical results don't bear that out. I'd love to see charting on whether actual performance more closely tracks pre-draft mocks of where a player should go, versus where they were actually selected by NFL team. Especially in the case of guys who "dropped."

 

[I'mWithDan]

I pay attention in most drafts but literally just went off the reservation this season. After the Browns had an all timer last year with Baker / Ward / Chubb, etc and then made their off season acquisitions.

Beyond Greedy, who seems like he has the requisite talent to be a starter right away, the other guys seemed like good value and I admittedly knew absolutely nothing about nearly all of them.

I’ll underscore that it’s nice to have a front office and a roster where you can spend a year on auto pilot for the draft and literally have zero concern. Times have changed for sure.

Dorsey is batting like .900 on all his moves to date. At this point, I can’t bring myself to really care about who he and staff want to take. If we fill Greedy + one other hole in this draft, we are in great shape.

 

[Jordan]

To me there are five teams that just draft better than everyone else. Colts, Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, and John Dorsey (Browns).

The way those five teams draft is occurring at a different level. They seem to play the draft in such a way that they’re taking BOA *and* need with every choice.

It goes well beyond analytics. Those five teams are exploiting some sort of market inefficiency. I do not know what it is, but as long as other teams do not figure it out, these teams will build at a higher level.