2019 Series #8 | Indians vs. Marlins | April 23rd and 24th

[BMAN]

More of this Jose plz.

 

[BMAN]

He gave up 1 run on 2 hits and struck out 2 in 1 full inning of work. Not saying it was a good outing, but for a reliever if this is a bad outing after 5 perfect outings, I am more than ok with that.

Relievers aren’t always going to be good every outing. People need to realize that.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

To my untrained eye, Wittgren's fastball didn't have the same movement on it today that it did the last few times out.

The homer wasn't that bad--high heat, ran in on the hands, the dude just turned on it and cranked it. He hung a bunch of breaking balls before that--those worry me more.

 

[Lee]

To my untrained eye, Wittgren's fastball didn't have the same movement on it today that it did the last few times out.

The homer wasn't that bad--high heat, ran in on the hands, the dude just turned on it and cranked it. He hung a bunch of breaking balls before that--those worry me more.

Agreed, at age 47, hanging balls have really started to worry me.

 

[Stark]

Can somebody make the Astros thread for me? On my phone and don't want to post a POS.

 

[HenryMuto]

Was really stupid letting Brantley go.

 

[Urban]

I remember when the majority of the board thought the Indians were dumb for bringing back Brantley last season

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I remember when the majority of the board thought the Indians were dumb for bringing back Brantley last season

I mean, the majority of a 9 person board is still only 5 people

And I admit to being one of them. But there is only one true path that is played out in the realm of possibilities. And the Indians operate on razor thin margins. They can’t afford to have someone who is a highly paid player miss the entire season. Sometimes you buy into a risky asset and just because it worked doesn’t mean it wasn’t risky

 

[sportscoach]

I remember when the majority of the board thought the Indians were dumb for bringing back Brantley last season

I actually supported bringing Brantley back, well hey, I am right at least once in awhile!

 

[Urban]

I mean, the majority of a 9 person board is still only 5 people

And I admit to being one of them. But there is only one true path that is played out in the realm of possibilities. And the Indians operate on razor thin margins. They can’t afford to have someone who is a highly paid player miss the entire season. Sometimes you buy into a risky asset and just because it worked doesn’t mean it wasn’t risky

I mean, spin it however you want but picking up his option at $12m was always the correct move

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I mean, spin it however you want but picking up his option at $12m was always the correct move

It’s not spinning it. It was a move that worked out for the Indians because Brantley stayed healthy. If Brantley missed a significant portion of last year as he had previous seasons, then it wouldn’t have worked out.

The decision at the time had serious question marks around it. It’s like when you trade down in the draft and people say 3 years later it was a bad trade because the players picked were worse than the player that was traded up for. Like most Browns fans say that the Julio Jones trade was a terrible move by the Browns. But if we had taken Cam Jordan, Justin Houston, and David Decastro instead of Taylor, Weeden, and Little it would be lauded as a heist of a deal. But I think that’s a shitty way to evaluate the actual decision of the trade. You know all of those picks are going to be risks. One path is the homerun path, one path is the toilet bowl path (the actual realized path), but at the time of the trade you didn’t know which path it would end up being. You had to make that decision based on only the information available at the time, not information that is readily apparent 5 years down the line.

My point is I think you’re downplaying the risk of a player missing a significant portion of the season and taking up 10% of the Indians payroll would have on the team. We aren’t the Yankees or Dodgers. We can’t eat costs as easily as they can. Everyone of our financial decisions is more high risk because we can’t just throw money at the problem later to fix it.

At the same time, I know your greater point was to point out fans who didn’t want to pick up his option last year and are now slamming the Indians for not resigning him.

 

[Derek]

There's risk with any signing, but the only people who ever doubted whether the Indians should pick up Brantley's options were a vocal minority of fans.

There was never truly any question whether they would, because it was a no-brainer.

 

[Urban]

It’s not spinning it. It was a move that worked out for the Indians because Brantley stayed healthy. If Brantley missed a significant portion of last year as he had previous seasons, then it wouldn’t have worked out.

The decision at the time had serious question marks around it. It’s like when you trade down in the draft and people say 3 years later it was a bad trade because the players picked were worse than the player that was traded up for. Like most Browns fans say that the Julio Jones trade was a terrible move by the Browns. But if we had taken Cam Jordan, Justin Houston, and David Decastro instead of Taylor, Weeden, and Little it would be lauded as a heist of a deal. But I think that’s a shitty way to evaluate the actual decision of the trade. You know all of those picks are going to be risks. One path is the homerun path, one path is the toilet bowl path (the actual realized path), but at the time of the trade you didn’t know which path it would end up being. You had to make that decision based on only the information available at the time, not information that is readily apparent 5 years down the line.

My point is I think you’re downplaying the risk of a player missing a significant portion of the season and taking up 10% of the Indians payroll would have on the team. We aren’t the Yankees or Dodgers. We can’t eat costs as easily as they can. Everyone of our financial decisions is more high risk because we can’t just throw money at the problem later to fix it.

At the same time, I know your greater point was to point out fans who didn’t want to pick up his option last year and are now slamming the Indians for not resigning him.

I mean, you are 100% spinning it Every time this is brought up, people who didn't want to bring back Brantley say "I was wrong, BUT..." It is OK, we all have been wrong about plenty

And you're downplaying the upside of spending $12m for 1 year of one of the most consistent hitters in the league. The upside of Brantley far far outweighed cutting bait and investing that $12m elsewhere. You weren't getting all star level production for that cost on the open market.

 

[HenryMuto]

Where is series thread you got to be kidding me our best pitcher gives up 3 runs in 2 innings to this piece of garbage team.

 

[AZ_]

Where is series thread you got to be kidding me our best pitcher gives up 3 runs in 2 innings to this piece of garbage team.

Calm down.