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2020 Presidential Election Preview: The Race to the Bottom

Discussion in 'RCF Politics' started by King Stannis, Nov 7, 2018.

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Who should the Democrats Nominate in 2020?

  1. Diamond Joe Biden

    6 vote(s)
    9.2%
  2. Bolshevik Bernie Sanders

    12 vote(s)
    18.5%
  3. Kommie Kamala Harris

    4 vote(s)
    6.2%
  4. Corey Booger

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  5. "P________" Elizabeth Warren

    5 vote(s)
    7.7%
  6. Beto DUI O'Rourke

    15 vote(s)
    23.1%
  7. Kryin' Kristen Gillibrand

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Michael Billionaire Bloomberg

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  9. The Oprah

    4 vote(s)
    6.2%
  10. Not Hillary Clinton

    17 vote(s)
    26.2%
  1. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    It isn't spin. Dude didn't win the majority of votes in 2016. He also had his ass kicked in the Midterms because of the same message was clear as day. *Cough* Caravan.

    And his own party didn't even bother to get around to it when they had absolute power because half the GOP opposes it.

    This is one man, and a small minority of voters trying to hold the entire nation hostage.

    This is not McConnell not doing the Senate's job for years to steal a SCOTUS seat, despite a clear duty to perform and on the basis of a nomination of a POTUS who won by large margins twice, or trying to repeal the ACA over and over because it is good for votes despite a majority of Americans supporting it, it is clearly what the majority of Americans, the business community and even the GOP in those States that will be effected by an Un-American and Unconstitutional power-grab want.

    That's the voice of the People, not spin.

    As for "both parties" I love that argument. I truly do because it tells me that some people or so lucky, so privileged with their position in society, that their lives are by-and-large not effected no matter how shitty one of the parties is to tens of millions of people, whether thats trying to prevent them from voting, trying to tell half the population what to do with their body (or saving babies depending on your view), or making it legal (again) to fire people or deny them housing simply because of who they are.

    When I hear "Both Sides," since 2010 anyway, what I really here is: "Oh, I'm fine. I got mine. I'm good. Life is great. Terribly sorry that you're being treated like shit by the same folks in government over and over again, I don't really care... also CNN is being hypocritical. That's worse!"

    It isn't 1983, and we're not in the middle of the Cold War Consensus. There is a war for the soul of America, and what America should be and "both sides" doesn't fly, on either side, anymore.

    Or, so I am told. :p:p:p
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    It really goes to show how disingenuous and unlikeable Donald Trump is that he near single handedly turned the American people off to what amounts to an unnecessary and wasteful obstruction in the desert
     
  4. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    I'm not sure that I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work there, Lou, the trend predates Trump as a candidate by a few years.

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    So what happened in 2012-2013 that turned people against a wall?
     
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    King Stannis The One True King

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    Green Demon In the Rotation

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    If he really knew what he was doing Trump would have proposed a 100 foot solar panel wall from sea to shining sea. :chuckle:
     
  7. gourimoko

    gourimoko Fighting the good fight!

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    This obviously causally correlates with Donald Trump's primary run.

    The public perception of a border wall / fence, drastically changed because Trump, at nationally televised rallies, began discussing a proposal to build a "Wall" that would be 30 feet high and made out of concrete. He compared it before to the Great Wall of China (jokingly, of course). He not jokingly compared it to the West Bank Barrier as well.

    But that's why public opinion so radically shifted.

    When people think "wall" now, they think of Trump's proposal rather than something like putting up a fence in your backyard.
     
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    gourimoko Fighting the good fight!

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    Not much actually.

    The trendlines are pretty misleading. They gave me the wrong impression on first glance as well.

    But take a look at the plot points themselves (the actual data). Not much data prior to Trump's run, and not a terribly significant difference between 2012 and 2014 worth mentioning. In fact, what was the polling error on the few data points in these aggregate periods? Are we really looking at just statistical error here?

    But in 2015, things radically change. In fact, the vast majority of the data points are in 2015 and after. So we can ask, what happened in 2015 to change the direction of the average trendline; and I think we all know the answer to that question.
     
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    You don’t compromise with a uninformed person who lies 99 percent of the time.
     
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    This is exactly my point. Its ok for a Dem to call Trump a crazy person, but when a GOP calls Pellosi a crazy person, well they are just immoral and wrong.

    The left just acts all high and mighty, it is utter hypocritical bullshit. "We don't have to compromise because we are right and you are wrong, and I am rubber and your glue."

    You know what, both parties need to grow up.

    Trump is the president, and cant expect them to ever show you respect if you don't show the GOP respect, its a two way street or there never will be compromise.
     
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    You are talking about arguably the most corrupt, inept, mentally and morally unstable, dishonest, uninformed leader in the history of modern American politics. He recently befriended a leader who still puts his own people in concentration camps, and that is probably not even the craziest thing he has done over the past few months. There were literally people in his own cabinet trying to figure out how to get him to leave the White House because they had to babysit him from doing more damage to the country. He has also called the free press the enemy of the people, anytime he has been challenged. That is not normal or acceptable behavior in a free society. Or at least it was not until now? You are really removed from reality when you compare him to a regular politician who may play partisan politics.

    Now yes the Democratic Party can do a much better job In many aspects. Many many mistakes have been made. But your simplistic generic post of both sides need to play nice don’t work here.
     
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    Unfortunately it has to. Its my theme, just because you find him morally bankrupt doesn't mean you don't have to respect the office. It was Jewish lawyers that defended the KKK's right to protest and hold ralleys, convictions don't end when you hate the person or group of people, that is when the are the most important.

    Want to prove you have morals? Treat an immoral president with the respect the office deserves, not with the mockery he has created with the office.

    So far Dems are failing miserably at this, but this is how you prove you are a person with convictions and morals and not just when they are convenient.
     
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    I don’t respect someone just because they are in a position of power. I would rather base that on that on the type of human being they are and how they use the power ( not that I expect perfection, everyone has flaws, but this is not a normal Situation) Do you respect the rule of dictators who do horrible unethical things just because they have the power to do whatever they want just because they are in office? I respect the position of president but this man is under investigation for many criminal acts, which played a significant part of how he came to office. He has spread hatred, dangerous lies and destroyed any credibility the office normally holds with many Americans. We will have to agree to disagree.
     
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    This is such a leap, I hear the comparison all the time, and I will say its offensive to me as a jew when we here Trump compared to dictators or Hitler. We have the opportunity to vote Trump out, so lets not act like its close to the same. He won the electoral votes, it sucks, but he is President.

    Would you volunteer your time to protect the rights of Neo Nazis to hold a march in your town?
     
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    Befriending a leader who has nuclear bombs to try to get him to disarm is crazy?
     
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