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2020 Presidential Election Preview: The Race to the Bottom

Discussion in 'RCF Politics' started by King Stannis, Nov 7, 2018.

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Who should the Democrats Nominate in 2020?

  1. Diamond Joe Biden

    3 vote(s)
    8.6%
  2. Bolshevik Bernie Sanders

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. Kommie Kamala Harris

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  4. Corey Booger

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. "P________" Elizabeth Warren

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  6. Beto DUI O'Rourke

    6 vote(s)
    17.1%
  7. Kryin' Kristen Gillibrand

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Michael Billionaire Bloomberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. The Oprah

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  10. Not Hillary Clinton

    11 vote(s)
    31.4%
  1. billmac91

    billmac91 NBA Starter

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    I would’ve been very interested in a Cuban campaign. Think he is to the left what Mitt Romney was to the right in many ways. Pragmatic and moderate.

    But Cubans decision has already been made at this point.....the way the Mavericks organization was run, coupled with Cubans apology for how women were treated buries him. Not too mention, there is a picture of him where he’s allegedly reaching down a women’s backside in a photo. He denies his hand is down her pants, she says it is. He looks hammered, she looks pretty uncomfortable.

    Cuban always said it’d be a long shot for him to run and it’d be the ultimate family decision. At this point, the door has closed on any possibility he’d run for President.
     
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  2. Jack Brickman

    Jack Brickman Hall-of-Famer

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    It is kind of funny that sexually assaulting women is an issue seen as disqualifying for someone running as a Democrat, but as a Republican it's mostly just shrugged away.
     
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  3. billmac91

    billmac91 NBA Starter

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    I don’t think it’s shrugged away as much as Trump never presented himself as a choir boy as many politicians tether themselves too. I mean the guy basically said he wanted to bang his own daughter on Howard Stern.

    If Trump was a career congressman and the “grab them by the pussy” comment is released on tape he’s buried in that election. Because he was a NY playboy/billionaire Real Estate giant, people largely rolled their eyes at it.

    But let’s not act like the left doesn’t have a bunch of issues with this as well. From Bill Clinton, to Keith Ellison, etc...it’s a problem everywhere.
     
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  4. pr26

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    We whole heartedly disagree. Gouri summed up my thoughts pretty well on this, so no need to double post it all. I want a candidate who can speak directly to white voters with implicit biases, not past them. I became a Bernie supporter when I saw him give a speech at Liberty University, to a room full of young Evangelical conservatives, making a moral argument for his economic platform. That was a message they needed to hear, and I don't want a candidate who wouldn't bother because they think that student body was a lost cause. I want to progress, not hurdle ourselves towards a civil war down the road.
     
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  5. Jack Brickman

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    I mean, Roy Moore was a pedophile and almost got elected, and we just saw a Supreme Court justice get confirmed by Republicans who had all sorts of question marks, both from a very dubious financial history to several claims of sexual assault.

    It happens on the left as well, to be sure, but usually it's a deal-breaker when someone on the left is caught. They resign or they're removed, usually without much if any fight from the left. It's just not the same on the right. At all. It's excused, blamed on a liberal conspiracy, called locker room talk, and on and on and on. You can point to Clinton, but that was decades ago. If that happened with him today he'd be toast.
     
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  6. jking948

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    But isn't that still just implicit racism?

    Again, we all know what Bernie meant... He is not racist, fuck, he endorsed these guys. But people not voting for a black candidate because they are black and that makes people uncomfortable is racist.

    Just to pretend for a second, let's say I live in a traditional, southern values family and that I bring home an African American woman. If they disapprove because her skin color - implicitly or explicitly - makes them uncomfortable, I think that's racist.

    Bernie is not a racist. Anybody who says otherwise is an idiot. But it was a poorly thought out statement that reinforces the "Bernie bros are racist" statement being peddled by the traditional DNCers.
     
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  7. gourimoko

    gourimoko Fighting the good fight!

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    Well yes, as I was telling @Los216, I agree it is implicit racism. But I also think there's an important distinction between being implicitly racist and explicitly racist; particularly with respect to conscious awareness of one's own bias and having a desire to combat it.

    And while I do think Bernie's statement may have been inartful, and definitely wasn't helpful to his own cause (since it gave fodder to those who want to attack him); I do agree with what he was trying to say and the choice he made to couch the argument about racism within the ranks of the voting population.

    I think what Bernie is trying to do here is explain a concept, that we all readily understand, to a group of people that have never even heard the term "implicit racism" and would otherwise shutdown (or even flip sides) if called "racists" outright.

    Again, his phrasing here is inartful and lends itself to misinterpretation; but, I think his overall meaning and intent here is sound. I alluded to the same point on election night when it became apparent that the very uninspiring down-ballot Nelson was outperforming Gillum. It was pretty obvious as to why; but I don't know if you open up and simply say "these folks are racists" if that drives a conversation about implicit bias or if, instead, it shuts it down.
     
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  8. jking948

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    No, I agree... I think anyone who is mildly politically educated understands what he was trying to say.

    But that statement is going to come back around in the 2020 race... And that's not good for Bernie.
     
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  9. Los216

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    @gourimoko

    I get what you're saying. This is probably one of those topics that's difficult to convey through message board post though I'm sure it will come up again in ten coming months.
     
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  10. Los216

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    I'm gonna start posting some stuff from people who are actually stating their interest in 2020. I'll start with a guy who I really like. Would I vote for him in 2020. Yeah I would. He checks a lot of boxes.


    View: https://twitter.com/TeamCavuto/status/1060672392048111616



    View: https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1059650002962792448



    View: https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1059531772655034368


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    Swalwell has advocated the repeal of the No Child Left Behind Act, and increasing funding for education, while decreasing funding for defense. He has also advocated for renewable energy jobs to be created with federal stimulus money. He has stated he would attempt to raise the cap on the Social Security payroll tax (which currently applies to annual earnings only up to $110,000 as of 2012), so that wealthier Americans would pay more into the program. He has proposed the idea of a "mobile Congress", with members casting votes remotely, while spending more time in their districts.[52][53] In March 2013 Swalwell led in the writing of an open letter to John S. Pistole, Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), opposing the new policy which would allow passengers to bring knives on-board airplanes.[54] He is a strong supporter of LGBT people, and is staunchly pro-choice.[55] On February 8, 2018, Swalwell introduced the Journalist Protection Act as a response to President Trump's intimidation of journalists.[56]


    What do you think? I like him. I know people are gonna say that he's too young or inexperienced but the majority of congress is too old and our current POTUS is inexperienced as hell. I think Swalwell is really gonna sneak up on people. he has a leg up on other candidates going to Iowa because not only has he already visited multiple times but he was born there. Definitely a person to watch out for on ten trail.

    One last note. He was very involved in the 2016 Presidential campaign of Martin O'Malley. The former Governor of Maryland and former Mayor of Baltimore who's character in The Wire was loosely based off of him. Could be a potential VP pick for Swalwell. O'Malley finished 3rd in the 2016 Democratic primary behind HRC and Bernie.
     
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    What is wrong with this quote? Gotta provide your thoughts, rules on drive by tweets in this sub forum.

    Bernie is saying Trump could pretend to be a civil rights Champion to get mote votes. That's a "terrible" post election quote? Unless I'm missing something here, it sure seems like the anti-Bernie corporate Dem spin machine is in full swing.
     
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  13. Green Demon

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    Yeah it seems like people are for some reason on this vendetta to torpedo Bernie's chances for 2020 before he even gets started. The quote from yesterday while I didn't agree with the interpretation that some people here were putting out there, I could understand the perspective that it was coming with. This is just Bernie saying that Trump will say anything to get a vote basically, I'm not sure why he is getting this vitriol from Dems.
     
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  14. MediumBaller

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    I'm with Bolshevik Bernie Sanders for the 2020 Democrats nominee. I like populism, and he seems to speak to a lot of issues that young people are dealing with. I'm also not a fan of establishment politicians, so that's another plus for Bernie.
     
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    This is not surprising at all. He's been a frequent TV guest on cable news over the last 2 years obviously trying to build up his national exposure. I think he's a legit guy to look out for. Seems to be pretty clean at this point with no known skeletons in his past. He's young but experienced in government. He's a family guy born in Iowa. He's tall and good looking. He has a lot going for him.

    James A Garfield is the only President to be elected directly from the House so there isn't a lot of success of making this kind of jump.
     
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