#52 DeShone Kizer

[dark2332]

I am okay if he shows up and outplays everyone else. I personally don't like his college film, but maybe he ended up in the right place for his career. It sounds funny sayin that about the Browns, but Jackson has changed this culture a lot and the FO has done a great job getting pieces. I want the best QB to start regardless of who it is. It may not be Kizer this season, but if he can be our long term and we can skip drafting a QB in the first round next season, we will have so much of a better team cause of it since 5 picks between round 1 & 2 put into the BPA rather than having to draft certain positions would be amazing lol

I think we all agree that he has to win it, and win it outright, to be named starter for Game 1. They're looking for any reason not to give it to him from the jump, as they should be. If he truly does keep working and progressing like he has and actually wins it as Zegura/Wilhelm predict, that speaks volumes. We'd all have legit reason to be excited about him--and the QB position--for the first time in awhile.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

What picks do we have next year? Thanks I'm really lazy

 

[SixPACK]

What picks do we have next year? Thanks I'm really lazy

First round: (2) Own pick, Texans' pick via 2017 draft-day trade.

Second round: (3) Own pick, Eagles' pick via 2016 draft-day trade, Texans' pick via Brock Osweiler trade.

Third round: (1) Own pick.

Fourth round: (2) Own pick, Panthers' pick via Andy Lee trade.

Fifth round: (1) Own pick.

Sixth round: (2) Own pick, Steelers' pick via Justin Gilbert trade. (<-- Who remember, is a FA, and JUST 5 minutes ago got suspended a whole year)

Seventh round: (1) Own pick.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

First round: (2) Own pick, Texans' pick via 2017 draft-day trade.

Second round: (3) Own pick, Eagles' pick via 2016 draft-day trade, Texans' pick via Brock Osweiler trade.

Third round: (1) Own pick.

Fourth round: (2) Own pick, Panthers' pick via Andy Lee trade.

Fifth round: (1) Own pick.

Sixth round: (2) Own pick, Steelers' pick via Justin Gilbert trade. (<-- Who remember, is a FA, and JUST 5 minutes ago got suspended a whole year)

Seventh round: (1) Own pick.

Wow that is incredible.. back to kizer... man he has all the tools and a hell of a teacher.. praying it works out as I have season tickets

 

[chrisrich91]

First round: (2) Own pick, Texans' pick via 2017 draft-day trade.

Second round: (3) Own pick, Eagles' pick via 2016 draft-day trade, Texans' pick via Brock Osweiler trade.

Third round: (1) Own pick.

Fourth round: (2) Own pick, Panthers' pick via Andy Lee trade.

Fifth round: (1) Own pick.

Sixth round: (2) Own pick, Steelers' pick via Justin Gilbert trade. (<-- Who remember, is a FA, and JUST 5 minutes ago got suspended a whole year)

Seventh round: (1) Own pick.

Christ...if we lucked out with Kizer and don't have to spend any of those picks on the QB position...

 

[Lee]

First round: (2) Own pick, Texans' pick via 2017 draft-day trade.

Second round: (3) Own pick, Eagles' pick via 2016 draft-day trade, Texans' pick via Brock Osweiler trade.

Third round: (1) Own pick.

Fourth round: (2) Own pick, Panthers' pick via Andy Lee trade.

Fifth round: (1) Own pick.

Sixth round: (2) Own pick, Steelers' pick via Justin Gilbert trade. (<-- Who remember, is a FA, and JUST 5 minutes ago got suspended a whole year)

Seventh round: (1) Own pick.

More on Gilbert

He got suspended? Wow that was a bad first round.

 

[Pick6]

Does it matter if he is suspended for a year if his career is already over?

 

[Kbiz]

More on Gilbert

He got suspended? Wow that was a bad first round.

Does it matter if he is suspended for a year if his career is already over?

"The lines we snorted on draft night were this long!"

 

[cdt]

I'm really intrigued with Kizer. I think he's got the physical tools you look for in a guy. With the elements in this division and the durability issues we've faced it's nice to have a bigger guy that can really drive the ball. This to me was a no brainer pick with where he was at in the draft. As Smooth alluded to earlier the disaster that is Brian Kelly to me really knocked Kizer down from a top 10 selection to the 2nd day. That and the turnover on that ND team was pretty drastic.

This is why Hue is here. If you're turning the Browns around it's by finding the franchise QB and building around him. I think if you can slow the game down and get Kizer going through his progressions and work on his pocket mechanics he could be really good. I also love that he isn't a 6' 170lb QB coming from a spread offense for once thank god.

Hue's grabbed 2 QB's now in the top 3 rounds of the draft over the last 2 years. We've accumulated a Danny Ainge bounty of draft selections to improve the roster hopefully from expansion level to contending. This is the year that you need to see growth from the roster 1-52 if he's going to get a 3rd year. I sincerely hope he does because we all know that this 1-2 year turnover is toxic.

With that said I'm anxious to see how he looks in pre-season. I don't really want to see a ton of reps for Assweiler. I'd love to see Kizer sit this year and really absorb the game and come back next year with a legitimate claim to the starting job. The issue is we can't seem to get our starter from Game 1 to Game 17. So I think by default we're going to see Kizer this year. I just hope it's not before week 10, as much as I'd love to see our shiny new toy I don't want him thrown out there and yanked around like we saw Kessler at times last year. That was a gripe with Hue last year as he was pulling Kessler in and out and not letting him gain any confidence.

 

[sportscoach]

I'm really intrigued with Kizer. I think he's got the physical tools you look for in a guy. With the elements in this division and the durability issues we've faced it's nice to have a bigger guy that can really drive the ball. This to me was a no brainer pick with where he was at in the draft. As Smooth alluded to earlier the disaster that is Brian Kelly to me really knocked Kizer down from a top 10 selection to the 2nd day. That and the turnover on that ND team was pretty drastic.

This is why Hue is here. If you're turning the Browns around it's by finding the franchise QB and building around him. I think if you can slow the game down and get Kizer going through his progressions and work on his pocket mechanics he could be really good. I also love that he isn't a 6' 170lb QB coming from a spread offense for once thank god.

Hue's grabbed 2 QB's now in the top 3 rounds of the draft over the last 2 years. We've accumulated a Danny Ainge bounty of draft selections to improve the roster hopefully from expansion level to contending. This is the year that you need to see growth from the roster 1-52 if he's going to get a 3rd year. I sincerely hope he does because we all know that this 1-2 year turnover is toxic.

With that said I'm anxious to see how he looks in pre-season. I don't really want to see a ton of reps for Assweiler. I'd love to see Kizer sit this year and really absorb the game and come back next year with a legitimate claim to the starting job. The issue is we can't seem to get our starter from Game 1 to Game 17. So I think by default we're going to see Kizer this year. I just hope it's not before week 10, as much as I'd love to see our shiny new toy I don't want him thrown out there and yanked around like we saw Kessler at times last year. That was a gripe with Hue last year as he was pulling Kessler in and out and not letting him gain any confidence.

Kessler was actually never supposed to start last season and did so cause of injuries and had to sit cause of injuries. He knew McCown and RG3 were both in front of him on the depth charts and it was quite clearly made by the coaching staff. He did well despite that issue and when he was out their looked like he could run a team. Osweiler isn't a bad QB, just not a franchise guy, but potentially is better than Kessler. We never know until we see Osweiler out there what he will be under Jackson.

O'Brien in my opinion is a bad coach and hasn't been able to use any QB he has been given and it could be a worse place now than Cleveland to go if you are a QB. Even coming from Osweiler it sounded like he got himself into a rut and the coach never was like hey, let's cut out some things in practice and let's get your mechanics back to normal. Great coaches make sure players stay fundamentally sound and O'Brien for some reason, hasn't been able to keep any of his QBs that way.

To start the offseason honestly the order of the QBs is Kessler 1st, Osweiler 2nd, Kizer 3rd then Hogan likely practice squad. Kizer has to beat out two guys who have limited starting experience in the NFL. Beat out Kessler who is a game managing QB and Osweiler who also can make all the throws. It won't be easy for him, but if he can do it in camp sincerely and we don't have him just given the starting job, then he will deserve to start. I am not sure if he will, but for some reason if he does, I don't doubt he will be mostly ready as any rookie could be.

 

[Phills14]

For Kizer's long term development I would like to take thing slow and not rush him onto the field. At the same time, as a Browns fan looking into the 2018 draft, I want to see what we have in Kizer so we can make a decision on what looks to be a very good crop of 1st round QBs next year.

I am hopeful that baring injuries, this front office and coaching staff can accomplish both but with our injury history at the position, I am not holding my breath.

 

[Randolphkeys]

We will see some of Kizer in the preseason, and I expect him to play the last week or two of the regular season. For me, forcing Kizer into any more than that is irresponsible. As @cdt and @Smooth both said, Kelly did him no favors preparing for a pro style offense. I've soap boxed long enough about the disconnect between the goals of college athletics and a minor league approach to preparing for the pros long enough. Kizer needs to get some action to develop confidence, but defenses are smart at this level. They are also much faster than anything he saw in college.

Look at Johnny Football: Every fair weather football fan wanted to write his shortcomings off as drugs and alcohol alone, but most of us scrutinizing his game saw that he could do a handful of things well but was atrocious at the rest. Johnny wouldn't make progression reads when pass rush came from the right side. He would check his first option, if it wasn't there he would pump fake and deep bootleg left. It took two preseason games for that tell to get exposed and he never overcame it. That's just one of many Manziel tendencies that we're quickly exposed. Kizer has similar tendencies that need to be eliminated carefully.

Continuing to run a young guy out there when those weaknesses exposed doesn't develop him... It's just bashing a young kid's head into the brick wall over and over. Give Kizer tastes of what a pro defense can do, don't sit him down to the Home Style Buffet and force-feed.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

We will see some of Kizer in the preseason, and I expect him to play the last week or two of the regular season. For me, forcing Kizer into any more than that is irresponsible.

Normally, I'd agree. But a few series in the preseason (if he's not starting the regular season, you have to give the majority of reps to the guy who is) and a game or two at the end of the regular season probably isn't enough to address the point raised by @Phills14 -- we need to know whether to go all-in for a QB next year. As you pointed out, one or two games wouldn't give the rest of the league a chance to adjust to him.

I'm not saying to toss him in there no matter what, but I think they need to go with whomever they think gives us the best chance to win, and just see how that guy does. Next year's draft may well be the most important one this franchise has seen in a long time, because we'll have the assets to make a move if we need to. And we must know whether or not we need to make that move.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Normally, I'd agree. But a few series in the preseason (if he's not starting the regular season, you have to give the majority of reps to the guy who is) and a game or two at the end of the regular season probably isn't enough to address the point raised by @Phills14 -- we need to know whether to go all-in for a QB next year. As you pointed out, one or two games wouldn't give the rest of the league a chance to adjust to him.

I'm not saying to toss him in there no matter what, but I think they need to go with whomever they think gives us the best chance to win, and just see how that guy does. Next year's draft may well be the most important one this franchise has seen in a long time, because we'll have the assets to make a move if we need to. And we must know whether or not we need to make that move.

Still don't agree, sorry. Look at what John Elway is doing at the quarterback position right now in Denver. He knows a thing or two about the position, agreed? He has Trevor Simien as his Kessler, Paxton Lynch as his blue chip developmental project, and takes fliers on a third guy here or there. Meanwhile, he is building strong lines and adding offensive weapons. Nothing wrong with treading water and taking fliers here or there as you wait for one guy at QB to step up... and RCF usually agrees on this approach once the dust clears in college football and we agree there's no such thing as a sure thing at the top of draft most seasons. College football doesn't churn out Andrew Luck every year, that's why forcing any young guy is the wrong move.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Still don't agree, sorry. Look at what John Elway is doing at the quarterback position right now in Denver. He knows a thing or two about the position, agreed?

Everyone at that level knows a thing or two about the position, regardless of whether or not they personally played it. Nor does the fact that you played the position at a high level mean that your player-development decisions are infallible.

He has Trevor Simien as his Kessler, Paxton Lynch as his blue chip developmental project, and takes fliers on a third guy here or there. Meanwhile, he is building strong lines and adding offensive weapons. Nothing wrong with treading water and taking fliers here or there as you wait for one guy at QB to step up...

Are you saying that Kizer is a "blue chip developmental prospect" and that we therefore shouldn't draft a QB high next year no matter what? Because that's where Denver was after the first year with Lynch -- there was no way in hell they were going to draft a QB in the first round this year.

I don't think we're at that point, though. I don't think we know whether Kizer is a "blue chip developmental project" or not -- there are some pretty good reasons he slipped as far as he did in the draft. And that's the problem -- we don't know whether he's "the guy" we're going to develop or not, so we don't know whether we need to draft a Darnold, Rosen, Rudolph, or Falk next year.

]and RCF usually agrees on this approach once the dust clears in college football and we agree there's no such thing as a sure thing at the top of draft most seasons. College football doesn't churn out Andrew Luck every year, that's why forcing any young guy is the wrong move.

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