A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

[Triple-S]

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Why do they keep up with this bullshit?

First off Bill Belicihick really wasn't this warm and fuzzy fella during his Browns run. While he finally got them headed into the right direction around 1993? Dude was horrible with the media and cut a lot of fan favorites.

Second off? I don't think the Browns are firing him if...I don't know...the team wasn't moving to Baltimore. Kinda made a "pre season super bowl pick" into a depressing dumpster fire.

If they want to shit on Cleveland over firings/non-hires...why not do it over the fact that they rejected Belichick as coach in 1999? He apparently wanted the gig then and begged Kosar to put his name into the mix with management.

I think the Jets and Ravens are far more deserving of being shit on over Belichick than the Browns.

 

[Lee]

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Why do they keep up with this bullshit?

First off Bill Belicihick really wasn't this warm and fuzzy fella during his Browns run. While he finally got them headed into the right direction around 1993? Dude was horrible with the media and cut a lot of fan favorites.

Second off? I don't think the Browns are firing him if...I don't know...the team wasn't moving to Baltimore. Kinda made a "pre season super bowl pick" into a depressing dumpster fire.

If they want to shit on Cleveland over firings/non-hires...why not do it over the fact that they rejected Belichick as coach in 1999? He apparently wanted the gig then and begged Kosar to put his name into the mix with management.

I think the Jets and Ravens are far more deserving of being shit on over Belichick than the Browns.

The Browns never fired Modell anyways, the Browns came to an end of Feb 8th with the agreement to let them go, so it was the Ravens that fired Bill.

 

[The Voice]

Ohio's top two: Les Wexner and Jay Schottenstein

Les Wexner has donated to super pacs in the past, he’s part of the problem; not the solution.

I’ll let someone else answer on Jay.

 

[The Oi]

The Browns never fired Modell anyways, the Browns came to an end of Feb 8th with the agreement to let them go, so it was the Ravens that fired Bill.

This is correct. The Ravens fired Belichick.

The Browns fired Belichick meme is so stupid.

 

[The Voice]

Can somebody give me the story on the Belichick to the Jets trade that never happened?

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

View: https://twitter.com/espn/status/1096515015060930560


Why do they keep up with this bullshit?

First off Bill Belicihick really wasn't this warm and fuzzy fella during his Browns run. While he finally got them headed into the right direction around 1993? Dude was horrible with the media and cut a lot of fan favorites.

Second off? I don't think the Browns are firing him if...I don't know...the team wasn't moving to Baltimore. Kinda made a "pre season super bowl pick" into a depressing dumpster fire.

If they want to shit on Cleveland over firings/non-hires...why not do it over the fact that they rejected Belichick as coach in 1999? He apparently wanted the gig then and begged Kosar to put his name into the mix with management.

I think the Jets and Ravens are far more deserving of being shit on over Belichick than the Browns.

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[Triple-S]

This is correct. The Ravens fired Belichick.

The Browns fired Belichick meme is so stupid.

Should be on Modell. Dude chased off Belichick, Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Marty Schottenheimer, Ernie Accorsi, Traded Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps...

Hell apparently he's just as responsible if not more so for cutting Kosar

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/09/when_art_modells_cleveland_bro_1.html

Should be a testament to how great Ozzie Newsome is as a GM to have done as well as he was with that guy running around in the background.

Had Modell repeated his general way of managing things? Ozzie would have been a GM for some NFC East franchise and Ray Lewis probably would have been traded to the Bears or something by some random "flavor of the month" coach he would have hired.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Should be on Modell. Dude chased off Belichick, Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Marty Schottenheimer, Ernie Accorsi, Traded Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps...

Hell apparently he's just as responsible if not more so for cutting Kosar

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/09/when_art_modells_cleveland_bro_1.html

Should be a testament to how great Ozzie Newsome is as a GM to have done as well as he was with that guy running around in the background.

Had Modell repeated his general way of managing things? Ozzie would have been a GM for some NFC East franchise and Ray Lewis probably would have been traded to the Bears or something by some random "flavor of the month" coach he would have hired.

The Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps trade actually worked out pretty well for that franchise -- maybe one of the best trades ever made. (Hint: Check out the second half of your post).

Modell's Judas move to Baltimore permanently cost him a home in Canton.

 

[col63onel]

Modell's Judas move to Baltimore permanently cost him a home in Canton.

I’m not going to defend Grossi overall as a journalist, but there was a big push to get Asshole Art in the HOF, and if not for Grossi he might’ve made it. Grossi at least did us a solid there.

 

[2 For The Brew]

I’m not going to defend Grossi overall as a journalist, but there was a big push to get Asshole Art in the HOF, and if not for Grossi he might’ve made it. Grossi at least did us a solid there.

I wonder what would have happened if that guy had been elected. There might have been more people in the streets around the HoF than in Downtown Cleveland in June 2016 - in a considerably worse mood.

 

[Triple-S]

I wonder what would have happened if that guy had been elected. There might have been more people in the streets around the HoF than in Downtown Cleveland in June 2016 - in a considerably worse mood.

If the Browns were a typical, boring modern expansion team (ie Jaguars, Panthers, Texans)? He's probably in there.

His legacy though is pretty much leaving Cleveland a scorched earth and having Baltimore be this "model" franchise though. So we're still rather pissed about it (as we all should be)

Not a good luck when the Ravens are out there with two super bowls, a stolen rivalry while Cleveland was left being a general punchline by the entire NFL.

 

[dark2332]

If the Browns were a typical, boring modern expansion team (ie Jaguars, Panthers, Texans)? He's probably in there.

His legacy though is pretty much leaving Cleveland a scorched earth and having Baltimore be this "model" franchise though. So we're still rather pissed about it (as we all should be)

Not a good luck when the Ravens are out there with two super bowls, a stolen rivalry while Cleveland was left being a general punchline by the entire NFL.

You see, though, no one other than us gives a damn about Modell stealing the Browns from this city.

For us, it’s enormous. Pure unfiltered hatred for him.

For other franchises around the NFL? They don’t really give a damn about what happened to us.

They also don’t care that we’ve been a laughing stock as an expansion rebirth. Hell, they enjoy it. The media loves clowning on Cleveland.

 

[Triple-S]

You see, though, no one other than us gives a damn about Modell stealing the Browns from this city.

For us, it’s enormous. Pure unfiltered hatred for him.

For other franchises around the NFL? They don’t really give a damn about what happened to us.

They also don’t care that we’ve been a laughing stock as an expansion rebirth. Hell, they enjoy it. The media loves clowning on Cleveland.

Well yeah.
Ask any Baltimore fan.
They give a full sob story about the Mayflower Trucks. They'll throw a fit at the mere mention of the name "Indianapolis". But when the topic of the Browns come up? Absolutely no empathy and at times out right mockery.

I've seen a few hardcore NFL types recognize how bad of a situation it actually was and remains to be. When it's brought up on "NFL TOP 10" lists? Those types bring up how important Northeast Ohio was to professional football and how loyal, big the Cleveland Browns fanbase was/is.

Outside of that it's just LOL Browns, etc.

 

[blommen]

The entire piece was “Haha, the Browns are a dumpster fire” and even when acknowledging that we fell ass-backward into Baker and Dorsey, Wickersham basically says “it’s only a matter of time before Haslam fucks it up again.” Wickersham basically wrote it with a smug grin, I’m sure—as you can tell that he was excited as hell to destroy the Browns organization.

He clearly has an agenda. The timing of the piece is bad. It’s a bunch of shit that we mostly already knew anyway....

So why does it need out there at this moment in time? To kill all hope again? Remind us that we’re a dumpster fire?

It wasn’t a piece to show how far we’ve come. It was written to tear us back down.

To me, Seth Wickersham has the most punchable face in America. I.... just really want..... to punch him in his stupid face.

I basically disagree with everything in this post, but I don't think it's an argument that's worth having, as I'm sure you will agree.

The Browns are good, the Browns are going to the playoffs next season. Nothing else really matters.

 

[prf100]

Modell’s legacy is this:
Things he got right:
Being involved in a key NFL TV deal.

Things he got wrong:
Firing the greatest coach of all time... twice (TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Forcing the greatest RB of all time into retirement
Releasing the hometown QB - horrible PR for a guy that was supposed to be a marketing expert.
Leaving the most NFL football-crazy town in the United States...
... to move the team to Baltimore to keep control / ownership of the team... only to fail to do so almost immediately. He couldn’t even turn a SB win into a sustainable business model. WTF.

The guy simply doesn’t have the resume to be in the Hall of Fame. My bet is that Grossi starts with emotional appeal whenever he advocates voting against him, but then closes with these simple, unemotional truths about Modell’s legacy and his lack of qualifications for HOF consideration.