Adrian Peterson indicted in child injury case

[spydy13]

To you it's "child abuse" but to AP, and many others, it's "discipline". Perception is everything. To crucify him for discipling his son is wrong though.

Let me start by saying that I am a 25 year old, white male of privilege, so I certainly speak on this issue from an outsider's perspective, but calling it "discipline" is such a cop out.

The fact that members of the African-American community would continue to "discipline" their children in the same brutal way that many of their ancestors were "disciplined" as slaves is a mind-fuck I can't begin to understand.

You can label it what you want, but it was just as wrong back then when whites were doing it to blacks as it is now when blacks do it to themselves.

 

[Cashius X]

But at what point does it go beyond discipline and into abuse? Given that he was indicted, he pretty obviously went past that point.

That's a good question and one for which I don't have a clear cut answer. I'm just saying that in this instance I don't see this as child abuse...I see it as a parent discipling his son and going a little too far (which he admitted when he said he accidentally hit the boy's scrotum and inner thigh).

 

[Ruken]

Resorting to physical violence to discipline a child beyond a quick swat on the behind is unnecessary. From my experience, all these teaches kids is to correct wrong doings with violence. A clear structure and control over your kid makes physical force unnecessary. My parents never hit me, never needed to. A set discipline system is just as effective if consistently applied.

 

[Man Called X]

I'm a 31 year old white guy...

I had to go out and cut my own switch when I fucked up. And I inevitably grabbed a small one, and was forced to march back out and cut a new one. Usually, by the time I made it back with the 2nd one, I had cried my eyes out and the lesson was learned.

Twice I got hit by the switch. Once when I slapped my mom, and once when I stole something from a store. I was maybe 6 for both of them.

Got my ass paddled a few times too.

Nothing wrong with it. It's this lack of discipline that they were forcing down parents throats in the 90s that has led to this current generation of degenerate fucktards.

 

[Ruken]

I'm a 31 year old white guy...

I had to go out and cut my own switch when I fucked up. And I inevitably grabbed a small one, and was forced to march back out and cut a new one. Usually, by the time I made it back with the 2nd one, I had cried my eyes out and the lesson was learned.

Twice I got hit by the switch. Once when I slapped my mom, and once when I stole something from a store. I was maybe 6 for both of them.

Got my ass paddled a few times too.

Nothing wrong with it. It's this lack of discipline that they were forcing down parents throats in the 90s that has led to this current generation of degenerate fucktards.

Right this is totally correct....

Why does it need to be physical violence to prove a point? Kids respond to other forms of discipline just as effectively provided it is consistently applied. Granted, I have experience in this from a school setting rather than a parenting standpoint. However, kids who receiving beatings at home were much more likely to get into fights. Resorting to beating your kids is a loss of self control and parental control.

 

[MoFlo]

I'm a 31 year old white guy...

I had to go out and cut my own switch when I fucked up. And I inevitably grabbed a small one, and was forced to march back out and cut a new one. Usually, by the time I made it back with the 2nd one, I had cried my eyes out and the lesson was learned.

Twice I got hit by the switch. Once when I slapped my mom, and once when I stole something from a store. I was maybe 6 for both of them.

Got my ass paddled a few times too.

Nothing wrong with it. It's this lack of discipline that they were forcing down parents throats in the 90s that has led to this current generation of degenerate fucktards.

And I'm a 30 year old white guy and never got touched as a child. I turned out fine.

You don't have to be beaten as a child in order to not become, as you put it, a "degenerate fucktard"

 

[KIisKing]

This shouldn't even a be a debatable topic on whether it was right or wrong. Beating a 4 year old child to the point where he has scars and bruises all over his body(arms, legs, back, scrotum) a week later is an absolutely inexcusable act of violence. And to add, has anyone read the whole report? Peterson reportedly stuffed leaves in the kids mouth and punched him in the face. No child deserves such brutal punishment, ever. A four year old is just out of diapers, they barely know right from wrong and they most certainly are not capable of doing something so wrong that they deserve punishment like this. Peterson is a disgusting animal.

What the NFL needs to do is get these players to understand that having a job is not a right, it is earned. Just because you can run a 4.3, catch a ball, and make an industry money does not guarantee you job after you have broken laws. The NFL and it's actions continue to set the precedent for young viewers that these crimes are not serious. They are. And I don't care if it old rules, new rules, or future rules they need to be enforced to a T no matter the stature of that player.

 

[Cashius X]

Let me start by saying that I am a 25 year old, white male of privilege, so I certainly speak on this issue from an outsider's perspective, but calling it "discipline" is such a cop out.

The fact that members of the African-American community would continue to "discipline" their children in the same brutal way that many of the ancestors were "disciplined" as slaves is a mind-fuck I can't begin to understand.

You can label it what you want, but it was just as wrong back then when whites were doing it to blacks as it is now when blacks do it to themselves.

I'm an 18 year old male in my 2nd year of college. My father beat me when I was younger to discipline me. He used his backhand of his ring hand so it would hurt more and occasionally used belts. I was a wild child and I think him beating me was an effective form of punishment. Not one that I would use on my children mind you, but I definitely see the value in it. He whipped me into shape.

Again, perception is everything. You may label my father as a "child abuser" for how he beat me when I was younger but imo it was just him discipling me the way he best way he knew how. His parents disciplined him by beating him and that's the same form of punishment he used on me and my siblings.

And in response to the bolded...just..no lol. Beating a child has been a valid form of punishment for as long as I can remember, way before slave masters beat their slaves in Early America. Also Black parents don't beat their children in the same manner that slave masters beat slaves. I don't think that's a valid argument in this case.

 

[Cashius X]

Don't know how to quote anymore but here's his statement:

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that's what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.


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[The Oi]

Cashius,

Why wouldn't you use it if it was effective?

 

[Ruken]

Just one study but..

http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/06/why-spanking-doesnt-work/

 

[Cashius X]

And Oi, I just couldn't see myself ever doing that. It's effective but I see it as more old school. I rather just scold my child to get my point across. I see nothing wrong with discipling a child by beating him or her but I feel like I could get my point across without having to resort to that. But then again though, it's easy to say all this when I don't have a child so who knows what I'll do.

And my fault, if there were marks on the child's back I'd classify that as child abuse. I was going off of initially seeing those pictures and only reading about the boy having marks on his arms and legs. If what I just heard though is true and there are marks on his back then yeah, that's over the line.

 

[spydy13]

I'm an 18 year old male in my 2nd year of college. My father beat me when I was younger to discipline me. He used his backhand of his ring hand so it would hurt more and occasionally used belts. I was a wild child and I think him beating me was an effective form of punishment. Not one that I would use on my children mind you, but I definitely see the value in it. He whipped me into shape.

Again, perception is everything. You may label my father as a "child abuser" for how he beat me when I was younger but imo it was just him discipling me the way he best way he knew how. His parents disciplined him by beating him and that's the same form of punishment he used on me and my siblings.

And in response to the bolded...just..no lol. Beating a child has been a valid form of punishment for as long as I can remember, way before slave masters beat their slaves in Early America. Also Black parents don't beat their children in the same manner that slave masters beat slaves. I don't think that's a valid argument in this case.

1. I received the same treatment as a child from my father when I was exceedingly bad.

2. I wouldn't label your father or my father a child abuser. Because, at least in my case, my father never beat me until I was black and blue or bleeding. AP did just that to his kid and is thus different than my father.

3. Just because it was held as valid doesn't mean it was right. Racism was (and sadly still is) held as a valid way to view the world, but that doesn't mean it is right.

4. I don't want to generalize for an entire community, but AP beat his child until he drew blood in a way that slaves were routinely beaten up to 150 years ago in this country.

 

[The Oi]

My parents never beat me and I'm a real asshole, so it is possible Cashius is onto something...

 

[Stark]

If Trent Richardson ever tried to abuse his kids, they could just run 3.1 yards to safety.