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Because I've seen enough drafts come and go over the years. Super draft years end up being duds, bad years end up being great. The draft is a crap shoot and rarely is there a can't miss sure fire guy. There isn't one of those guys in this draft.

It could very well churn out all stars and a superstar but there is no sure fire guy in this draft.

I'm not impressed at all with josh Jackson who had a lot of hype surrounding him.

For as unorthodox as their shots are, Ball and Jackson just know how to play basketball. Jackson especially has looked fantastic for a good 75% of the season (and his three point shooting has skyrocketed since big 12 play started). He's shown the potential to play with or without the ball and guard four positions. I really think the guy has Kawhi Leonard potential.

Fultz and Dennis Smith are going to be really good point guards in this league. Fultz reminds me a little bit of Harden. Not a super explosive athlete, but he knows how to find creases in the defense and his vision is better than defenses think. Smith is extremely quick off the dribble, can shoot, and does some of everything for an NC St team that lacks, well, a lot. Ball is one of the best passers/floor generals I've seen in the college game in a while. He really controls the tempo (now if only his dad would shut up).

Tatum... is a bit of a mystery to me. It looks like he's finally starting to figure out how big and athletic he is, and he's got a pretty good looking shot to boot. He's got a little bit of Wiggins in him where he has a tendency to float and defer to older guys, but he rebounds it better and, like Wiggins, makes 2-3 plays a game that make you go "wow."

I don't know about the rest of the draft, but the top-five has a chance to be really special.
 
For as unorthodox as their shots are, Ball and Jackson just know how to play basketball. Jackson especially has looked fantastic for a good 75% of the season (and his three point shooting has skyrocketed since big 12 play started). He's shown the potential to play with or without the ball and guard four positions. I really think the guy has Kawhi Leonard potential.

Fultz and Dennis Smith are going to be really good point guards in this league. Fultz reminds me a little bit of Harden. Not a super explosive athlete, but he knows how to find creases in the defense and his vision is better than defenses think. Smith is extremely quick off the dribble, can shoot, and does some of everything for an NC St team that lacks, well, a lot. Ball is one of the best passers/floor generals I've seen in the college game in a while. He really controls the tempo (now if only his dad would shut up).

Tatum... is a bit of a mystery to me. It looks like he's finally starting to figure out how big and athletic he is, and he's got a pretty good looking shot to boot. He's got a little bit of Wiggins in him where he has a tendency to float and defer to older guys, but he rebounds it better and, like Wiggins, makes 2-3 plays a game that make you go "wow."

I don't know about the rest of the draft, but the top-five has a chance to be really special.


Absolutely. I think Fultz is pretty damn close to a can't miss, I know Ty says there's no guarantees in this draft...I'd say Fultz is pretty close. I really think he has the potential to be similar to Harden/Steph/Kyrie

He's just a really special shooter and he's really crafty with the basketball and has a high basketball IQ. It seems like that combo of traits in this generation is a one-way ticket to stardom. He's probably a 2 in the NBA, but he can totally be a primary ball handler.

I also really like Dennis Smith, I'd take him #2 right now over Ball(I'm not as high on Ball as most...great vision but he's gotta get better as a scorer to be elite in today's NBA, even if it is just to draw attention and defensive focus" and Jackson (that jumpshot infuriates me...I don't know whether this kid is going to be a monster or if he's going to be Perry Jones....) but I know I'm in the minority on Smith... I see a lot of Westbrook/young D Rose in his game. I think he will really adjust very well to the speed of the NBA. It will actually HELP him and make him better. Much like Westbrook. I think the college game is holding him back a bit.
 
Absolutely. I think Fultz is pretty damn close to a can't miss, I know Ty says there's no guarantees in this draft...I'd say Fultz is pretty close. I really think he has the potential to be similar to Harden/Steph/Kyrie

He's just a really special shooter and he's really crafty with the basketball and has a high basketball IQ. It seems like that combo of traits in this generation is a one-way ticket to stardom. He's probably a 2 in the NBA, but he can totally be a primary ball handler.

I also really like Dennis Smith, I'd take him #2 right now over Ball(I'm not as high on Ball as most...great vision but he's gotta get better as a scorer to be elite in today's NBA, even if it is just to draw attention and defensive focus" and Jackson (that jumpshot infuriates me...I don't know whether this kid is going to be a monster or if he's going to be Perry Jones....) but I know I'm in the minority on Smith... I see a lot of Westbrook/young D Rose in his game. I think he will really adjust very well to the speed of the NBA. It will actually HELP him and make him better. Much like Westbrook. I think the college game is holding him back a bit.

I'm going to have to push back hard on that Perry Jones comment on Jackson. Yeah, his jumper is questionable (though it's still better than Lonzo's), but the thing about Perry is he had no real feel for the game. Jackson is the complete opposite. The kid just knows how to play the game, and he never quits on a play. He may never become a good shooter in the league, but he'll be able to impact a game in a number of different ways.
 
I'm going to have to push back hard on that Perry Jones comment on Jackson. Yeah, his jumper is questionable (though it's still better than Lonzo's), but the thing about Perry is he had no real feel for the game. Jackson is the complete opposite. The kid just knows how to play the game, and he never quits on a play. He may never become a good shooter in the league, but he'll be able to impact a game in a number of different ways.

Yeah good point, Perry Jones also seemed to not even be interested in basketball. Probably a bad comparison. Jackson will definitely play in the league for awhile.
 
I'm still not sold on anybody in this draft being a can't miss superstar. There isn't a LeBron, Durant or Davis here. That doesn't mean someone wont rise to that rank, but I have questions for everybody. Why is Fultz such a bad freethrow shooter? The guy gets to the line a lot and is just horrendous there for a guard. 2 point percentage and three are both good, but i'm still not being wowed. Fultz has really good size is productive but he isn't quite can't miss to me. That freethrow shooting needs to be up over 80 %. The blocks are very impressive. Without a doubt due to his wingspan. He's built a lot like Wade, but he's a good amount shorter than Wade.

Fultz is 6 3.5" in shoes while wade is 6'3.75" in bare feet. He's a combo guard to me, but with good combo guard size. I'd play him at point guard. His length should bother point guards at the next level.

I like Ball, his shot is fucking weird but he's shooting 43 % on threes with healthy attempts and an unbelievable 71 % from 2. He has some very excellent scoring potential with those %. Again, he's a shitty freethrow shooter for a guard... He doesn't get there as much as Fultz though so it doesn't drag down his overall efficiency as a result. This guy is carrying a 68 % TS despite barely getting to the line. That is super fucking impressive.

Josh Jackson is not Leonard guys. I see more of Jaylen Brown in him than anything else. Despite being taller than Brown he is effectively smaller due to the smaller wingspan and standing reach; while also being a good 20+ lbs lighter. He is a horrendous freethrow shooter; which seems to be a trend with this top 5. Actually now that I think about it he's built like Wiggins, but with much less length and worse shooting and scoring ability.

I would for sure take Tatum over Jackson. They both need to put on weight but Tatum can actually shoot from everywhere and has good length.

Dennis Smith is another guy I like. I have him below Ball because he isn't as good of a playmaker or as efficient, but he has very good efficiency, some scoring and playmaking, but his overall size is underwhelming. Hes short, small arms, and very light weight. Again, very mediocre freethrow shooting for a guy that gets to the line a lot.
 
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Here are my top prospects for this draft(is this now the draft thread?):
1. Lonzo Ball (he's looking like Jason Kidd with amazing scoring efficiency)
2. Markelle Fultz
3. Jason Tatum
4. Dennis Smith
5. Josh Jackson
 
Here are my top prospects for this draft(is this now the draft thread?):
1. Lonzo Ball (he's looking like Jason Kidd with amazing scoring efficiency)
2. Markelle Fultz
3. Jason Tatum
4. Dennis Smith
5. Josh Jackson

Taking Tatum 3rd is insane.
 
The guy is consensus top 5 everywhere. You mind elaborating on why it's "insane" for @TyGuy to have him 1-2 spots higher?

Josh Jackson and Smith are a tier above him so he should probably stay at 5.
I don't think he is a difference maker.
 
Josh Jackson and Smith are a tier above him so he should probably stay at 5.
I don't think he is a difference maker.
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Josh Jackson and Smith are a tier above him so he should probably stay at 5.
I don't think he is a difference maker.

I think there's often a tendency to underrate guys coming into the league who aren't either a point guard/forward or a 7 footer. Tatum is a legit wing prospect, who has been playing very well for Duke since returning from his injury.

TyGuy mentioned the weak FT shooting from some of the other top prospects, well Tatum looks to be the best all-around shooter of the bunch at the moment, and he gets to the line at a very nice clip as well. If Duke actually had a PG this year, I think you'd see him flourishing even more than he already is.

I think if there's a team in the top 5 that already has a young primary playmaker, PHX/LA/Philly all come to mind, Tatum will be in the conversation for their pick.
 
I think there's often a tendency to underrate guys coming into the league who aren't either a point guard/forward or a 7 footer. Tatum is a legit wing prospect, who has been playing very well for Duke since returning from his injury.

TyGuy mentioned the weak FT shooting from some of the other top prospects, well Tatum looks to be the best all-around shooter of the bunch at the moment, and he gets to the line at a very nice clip as well. If Duke actually had a PG this year, I think you'd see him flourishing even more than he already is.

I think if there's a team in the top 5 that already has a young primary playmaker, PHX/LA/Philly all come to mind, I guarantee Tatum is in the conversation for their pick.

Yeah, I only care about one thing though, whomever Boston picks has to be a bust and i'll be happy. Whether it's Jackson,Tatum, Ball.. I don't care. They have to fail.
 
If Jackson continues to shoot a dreadful 56 % from the freethrow line at the next level it will be a huge problem. I prefer Tatums length at the next level. Jackson's size is completely underwhelming. 200 lbs, wingspan barely larger than his height and a standing reach shorter than Point guard Fultz? That and they get to the line at a similar rate but tatum makes 87 % of his throws. Jackson has more handles and passing, but it's not like he's elite there.

I'm not in love with Tatum by any means, and perhaps I could put Smith above him, but his size like Jackson's for his position is very underwhelming. The guy is listed at 6'3" and not even close to it. He's very light, short arms and his playmaking is just okay. His shooting is good, but not great. He has a good 2 point percentage and decent three, but his freethrows are below average. He's quite clearly the third best guard in my opinion.
 
Yeah, I only care about one thing though, whomever Boston picks has to be a bust and i'll be happy. Whether it's Jackson,Tatum, Ball.. I don't care. They have to fail.
Here's the problem for Boston. Three of the top 5 prospects are point guards and their best player is a point guard. The other two are wings and neither of them look like star players to me (especially Jackson). They just drafted a wing (who I dont like) and have a good starting wing in Crowder. They need to make a trade one way or another. Either the pick, or when of there players to make room for the pick.

Perhaps you can take Fultz and move Avery Bradley or Smart. Or you could take ball and make Thomas more of a scorer?? Isn't he already that guy? If they take a wing they need to move Jaylen for pennies on the dollar. A star big is out of the question, it doesn't exist in this top 5.

They should have tried moving this pick for Cousins. If it was off the table then they are retarded because they have had issues drafting and they needed foresight here with draft position and team composition. This pick, Jaylen Brown, and matching salaries is way better than Sac got for Cousins and there is nobody in this draft that looks to be as good as Cousins, and they needed a star big the most...

It works out extremely well for the cavs, but both the kings and Celtics missed out here big time.
 

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