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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%
  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%
  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%
  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%
  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%

  • Total voters
    183
Ben Poquette is in da house!

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Doesn't sound like a guy who'd be cool with relinquishing play-calling to the HC.

View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1083187264530931712

Probably not, however...

You also have to consider that the Browns offense, barring injuries, is probably going to be very explosive and rank very highly next year.

Monken wants to be a head coach. What looks better on a resume? Being the non-play calling OC of a top 5 offense or going somewhere like Jacksonville with the question marks they have at QB and being the play calling OC of an offense that finishes like 18th?

I'm sure the guy is confident in himself and thinks he can have a great offense anywhere, but being the OC of a high scoring team, play caller or not, could be more valuable to his future HC prospects.

OR...

Kitchens might be willing to give up play calling duties to the right guy, someone with the credentials like Monken.
 
I heard some insider being interviewed on 92.3 yesterday saying that someone with the organization mentioned to him that they wanted to introduce Freddie with his staff so that the questions about "is he ready to be a HC" could be more easily addressed by pointing to the guys in the team around him.
I guess I can see the thinking behind that, but it’s weird that it’s part of their decision making process at all. Who cares what the media thinks? I’m sure they can have a successful press conference regardless of whether the staff is in place yet or not.
 
I guess I can see the thinking behind that, but it’s weird that it’s part of their decision making process at all. Who cares what the media thinks? I’m sure they can have a successful press conference regardless of whether the staff is in place yet or not.
If they plan to move very quickly on his staff--namely at DC and OC--then I suppose he wouldn't have to take questions on his staff by merely waiting a few days. It makes sense.

However, I'm on the other side of it. I think this is about money and offset language. Jimmy is still paying Hue and Freddie just came out of nowhere as an in-house guy. I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to save a little on his contract and protecting themselves if he doesn't work out--given the risk of his meteoric rise. Not saying I agree with it, just that I could see it.
 
Fyi, Monken might not have a ton of NFL spots. TB, GB, TB, and Denver already have their play caller/OC. If I'm Monken, I'm not hitching my NFL future on Arizona, Cincy, or Miami. So Cleveland might be the best spot.

Also, with the names we have heard for OC, I would imagine we should expect more of a spread concept offense.
 
Probably not but coming here might be his best shot of getting a head coach job next year.

Which begs the question...how interested should we be in hiring an OC who probably will be gone next year?

I'm almost thinking I'd rather go in a completely different direction. A young guy, maybe a position coach somewhere, looking for his first shot as an OC. So he won't be expecting to call plays, and Freddie can show him "his way". You then develop that guy in-house to the point where he's calling plays in a few years. That lets Freddie have his system ingrained in the players/franchise, and the players don't have to get used to their 4th different coordinator in 3 years.

You get the experienced dude as the DC.
 
Which begs the question...how interested should we be in hiring an OC who probably will be gone next year?

I'm almost thinking I'd rather go in a completely different direction. A young guy, maybe a position coach somewhere, looking for his first shot as an OC. So he won't be expecting to call plays, and Freddie can show him "his way". You then develop that guy in-house to the point where he's calling plays in a few years. That lets Freddie have his system ingrained in the players/franchise, and the players don't have to get used to their 4th different coordinator in 3 years.

You get the experienced dude as the DC.
This basically describes Ryan Lindley, right?
 
Which begs the question...how interested should we be in hiring an OC who probably will be gone next year?

I'm almost thinking I'd rather go in a completely different direction. A young guy, maybe a position coach somewhere, looking for his first shot as an OC. So he won't be expecting to call plays, and Freddie can show him "his way". You then develop that guy in-house to the point where he's calling plays in a few years. That lets Freddie have his system ingrained in the players/franchise, and the players don't have to get used to their 4th different coordinator in 3 years.

You get the experienced dude as the DC.

Hire Monken and promote Lindley (29 years old) from RB coach to QB coach for 2019.

If Monken gets a job in 2020, then you promote Lindley.

No downside to hiring someone like Monken IMO. Even if he bounces in a year.
 
I don't think it makes sense to hire a lesser coach for fear of losing him to a promotion elsewhere. Hire the best possible and embrace the notion that working for a team is a positive/stepping stone. That will in turn attract the best in the future.

That's the way Urban Meyer did it at tOSU.
 
Which begs the question...how interested should we be in hiring an OC who probably will be gone next year?

I'm almost thinking I'd rather go in a completely different direction. A young guy, maybe a position coach somewhere, looking for his first shot as an OC. So he won't be expecting to call plays, and Freddie can show him "his way". You then develop that guy in-house to the point where he's calling plays in a few years. That lets Freddie have his system ingrained in the players/franchise, and the players don't have to get used to their 4th different coordinator in 3 years.

You get the experienced dude as the DC.

If our OC isn't calling plays, I assume it won't matter much if we have to replace him every other year.
 
Which begs the question...how interested should we be in hiring an OC who probably will be gone next year?

I'm almost thinking I'd rather go in a completely different direction. A young guy, maybe a position coach somewhere, looking for his first shot as an OC. So he won't be expecting to call plays, and Freddie can show him "his way". You then develop that guy in-house to the point where he's calling plays in a few years. That lets Freddie have his system ingrained in the players/franchise, and the players don't have to get used to their 4th different coordinator in 3 years.

You get the experienced dude as the DC.

It would be the same system with Freddie just someone else running the offense during the week at practice and helping with the game plan. Just fine someone else next year. Andy Reid does it every year.
 
I don’t see why that’s important, personally.

Last I heard, the reason the Browns haven’t announced the hire or scheduled a presser is because they’re still negotiating Freddie’s contract. That makes more sense as the holdup.

I think the media will have alot of questions for Kitchens on how he will operate the team. Without a staff in place it's hard to say what duties he will keep and delegate. It might be some contract stuff holding it up but I think letting him go in front of the media with a full staff just makes it less likely a media member writes a bad article.

If he constantly is answering questions with "I'm not sure I have to see when we get our full staff in". He will come off as unprepared and someone will write about how he might not be ready for the job.
 
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