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Sell me on Vance Joseph. Got a friend who is a huge Bronco fan - says he is one of the worst coaches he has ever seen - on Hue's level.
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Well, we're not hiring him as a head coach -- we're hiring him as a DC. And the reason he got hired in the first place as a head coach was because he was such a good DC. So maybe it is Romeo Crennel syndrome. Romeo wasn't that horrible as a head coach, but he was clearly much better as a DC.
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He might be a horrible head coach, but the good news is the Browns wouldn't be asking him to be the head coach.
Broncos D was 5th in DOVA this year and 10th the year before.
Hue Jackson was a successful OC a few years ago...
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Dude won 11 games over two years with a bottom 15 QB. No chance in hell he's anywhere near as bad as Hue.
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Browns must get Pagano now. Not a lot of good options after Pagano.
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You need to find a new friend that is better at understanding football.
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Steve Wilks has the same amount of defensive coordinator experience as Vance Joseph for what it's worth. One year for each.
In Wilks one year as a DC in 2017, the Panthers were ranked 7th in DVOA. That was up from 10th in 2016 and it dropped to 22nd this past season.
In Wilks one year as a DC in 2017, the Panthers were ranked 7th in DVOA. That was up from 10th in 2016 and it dropped to 22nd this past season.
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I don't mind Wilks but I don't think he's the DC near Pagano's level. He did generate impressive pass rushing numbers, but there was an issue vs the pass there.
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I can't stress how similar Wilks and Joseph's career arcs are...
Joseph: 10 years as a DB Coach, 1 year as a defensive coordinator, 2 years as a head coach
Wilks: 11 years as a DB Coach, 1 year as a defensive coordinator, 1 year as a head coach (also three years as assistant head coach)
If you liked Joseph, there's no reason to not like Wilks.
Joseph: 10 years as a DB Coach, 1 year as a defensive coordinator, 2 years as a head coach
Wilks: 11 years as a DB Coach, 1 year as a defensive coordinator, 1 year as a head coach (also three years as assistant head coach)
If you liked Joseph, there's no reason to not like Wilks.
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Which is why the the Williams/Kitchens combo was never really a thought. If Kitchens bounces, we're screwed.
But a Monken/Kitchens combo works because Kitchens by himself works.