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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

    Votes: 16 51.6%
  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • Racist Idiots in the News.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 32.3%

  • Total voters
    31
In a crowd...
A fan becomes a fanatic.
A coward becomes brave.
Youth hates age.
Reformers become oppressors.
And the devout crucify Christ.

Just a heads up that fan is short for fanatic.
 

Until Steve Loomis finds a procedural error and gets him allllllllll the back pay! Because Unions, hooray!

Dues money hard at work. :chuckle:

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The union that represents rank-and-file Cleveland police officers has appealed the discipline levied Tuesday against two officers involved in the Tamir Rice shooting, just hours after the discipline was handed down.

Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Steve Loomis said in a statement that neither Timothy Loehmann nor Frank Garmback violated any police policy. Loomis cited a report by a committee that reviewed the shooting and gave a recommendation to Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams that neither officer be disciplined.
 
The same people upset about this victory for political correctness are the same ones who lament Colin Kaepernick, so traveling down that road of hypocrisy leads nowhere intelligent.
 
The same people upset about this victory for political correctness are the same ones who lament Colin Kaepernick, so traveling down that road of hypocrisy leads nowhere intelligent.
I doubt it. I bet q is happy with the firing and that Colin has no work.

Im the exact opposite. I don't appreciate the fact that Colin's beliefs partially are at fault for him not having work nor do I like the canning of this guy.

Freedom of speech is supposed to extend all the way out to "freedom without societal sanction". Don't have to agree with either of their statements (in fact I disagree with both) to believe in the principle.
 
I doubt it. I bet q is happy with the firing and that Colin has no work.

Im the exact opposite. I don't appreciate the fact that Colin's beliefs partially are at fault for him not having work nor do I like the canning of this guy.

Freedom of speech is supposed to extend all the way out to "freedom without societal sanction". Don't have to agree with either of their statements (in fact I disagree with both) to believe in the principle.

This makes no sense to me, David.

Are you saying that people should be allowed to say anything and that private citizens cannot respond in a private way; and that "freedom of speech" has something to do with this?

And can you explain how ""freedom without societal sanction" extends from the First Amendment? I'm not even sure how this is a "societal sanction?" People are choosing not to associate with this man, including his employer. How is that, in anyway, a violation of anyone's freedom?
 
This makes no sense to me, David.

Are you saying that people should be allowed to say anything and that private citizens cannot respond in a private way; and that "freedom of speech" has something to do with this?

And can you explain how ""freedom without societal sanction" extends from the First Amendment? I'm not even sure how this is a "societal sanction?" People are choosing not to associate with this man, including his employer. How is that, in anyway, a violation of anyone's freedom?
Private citizens can act how they want, I never alluded to anything else. I'm the one advocating exactly that, others are not.

You can disagree with what someone says and youre free to fire them as well.
 
Not really going to feel sorry for someone who tweeted something racist and got canned over it. I mean, it was a remarkably stupid thing to tweet out.

So I purposely didn't put anything w/ the article other than the link, as I didn't want to poison the well with my opinion.

I get where he's coming from, I do, in the context he provided, I can be sympathetic to the emotions felt. It's rather similar to the Confederate Flag issue, in that sense.

I hate it ends in firing, because I don't think he was trying to be hateful, but he spoke with a context many can understandably relate to, given the history. With that said, I'd rather have seen it turn into a point of dialogue for learning rather than another mob rule takedown.

In the end, historical context isn't grounds for inequality today. No matter who wields said context.
 
I doubt it. I bet q is happy with the firing and that Colin has no work.

Im the exact opposite. I don't appreciate the fact that Colin's beliefs partially are at fault for him not having work nor do I like the canning of this guy.

Freedom of speech is supposed to extend all the way out to "freedom without societal sanction". Don't have to agree with either of their statements (in fact I disagree with both) to believe in the principle.

Literally the only thing freedom of speech protects you from is from the government arresting you for your views. It doesn't protect you from your employer firing you for saying something racist on a public forum. If you don't want to get fired, simply don't post stupid, racist comments on social media. It's not that hard.
 
Literally the only thing freedom of speech protects you from is from the government arresting you for your views. It doesn't protect you from your employer firing you for saying something racist on a public forum. If you don't want to get fired, simply don't post stupid, racist comments on social media. It's not that hard.
this is spelling out obviousness, why bother?

nothing i said refutes that. this doesnt refute anything i said. im aware of the first ammendment and its reach.

As wrathe pointed out, it should be used as a point of discussion. You cant legislate that you cannot fire someone who is problematic, thats stupid. But it should be up to the PEOPLE not to call for anyone and everyones head that they disagree with, LIKE colin kaepernick and this guy.

If you fire everyone for something thats not stated with proper thought or constructed as well as it should be, youre just going to get a self censoring society. You dont want that. You push the cretins underground. Theyre still there, theyre just dormant. until they vote for donald trump, for instance.

And no one has perfectly constructed arguments on everything, all the time. The reason we communicate is to hash these arguments out and get them squared away. To penalize everyone for trying to do that is precarious. Especially since often the opinion is obfuscated and miscontrued (sometimes intentionally.. often actually) to be much worse than it is.
 
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So I purposely didn't put anything w/ the article other than the link, as I didn't want to poison the well with my opinion.

I get where he's coming from, I do, in the context he provided, I can be sympathetic to the emotions felt. It's rather similar to the Confederate Flag issue, in that sense.

I hate it ends in firing, because I don't think he was trying to be hateful, but he spoke with a context many can understandably relate to, given the history. With that said, I'd rather have seen it turn into a point of dialogue for learning rather than another mob rule takedown.

In the end, historical context isn't grounds for inequality today. No matter who wields said context.
i dont think these mob rule advocates know what theyre doing. Theyre creating a monster, and its only a matter of time before they say something unpopular and end up on the wrong side of it. You dont want to encourage that shit. You want to encourage conversation.
 
What would even compel that guy to tweet that out? How would it not occur to him that he would immediately be fired for it?
 

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