Racial Tension in the U.S.

[TyGuy]

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/28/why...ti-white-hate-crimes-like-the-fresno-murders/

Chauncey Devaga has an article why doesn't report about hate crimes against whites

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/28/why...ti-white-hate-crimes-like-the-fresno-murders/

His reasoning is pretty clear. He believes justice will be fully meted out in these crimes and he tries to focus on the "voiceless"

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/us/fresno-california-shootings/index.html

CNN had no problem running coverage on the fresno murders. Hate crimes are typically charged based on the history of the assailant and their own explanation of the attack.


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...cious-racist-attack-police-call-a-hate-crime/

Police have no problem investigating attacks on whites as hate crimes if the the information they have indicates a underlying or overt racial biasness or hate leading to the attack.

Meanwhile you also have editors at Ebony magazine who wasn't initially comfortable labeling a shooter in dallas who killed 5 cops as a hate crime
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davidc...ate-crimes-whites-says-ebony-magazine-editor/

That video regarding the cold chicken is not sufficient to determine if it was a hate crime. Background information on the attackers would be needed to make that establishment.

the same is true in reinforce

not every attack is gonna involve saying "I am attacking you because I hate your kind" at the moment of attack.


Whether the cold chicken couple acted out as some sort of road rage or they felt disrespected by the owner based on the race is not something you can determine from the video.

That's why they couple hasn't been accused of a hate crime.


however once detained if they made racial remarks or references or their social media interactions showed patterns of racism. police could very charge that couple with a hate crime.

What I meant was race wasn't mentioned in any of the articles I read reporting this incident. Had their roles been reversed and it was a white guy that assaulted a black family; would the media have written a headline that looked something like "White man assaults black restaurant owner"

 

[The Oi]

What I meant was race wasn't mentioned in any of the articles I read reporting this incident. Had ther oles been reversed and it was a white guy that assaulted a black family; would the media have written a headline that looked something like "White man assaults black restaurant owner"

What are you looking for here?

 

[Tornicade]

What are you looking for here?

The media is keeping the Anglo Appalachian down.

Ultimately it doesn't matter.

ultimately it doesn't matter.. if complaints of racially motivated crimes spur accountability and a more judicious police force. then its good for everyone.

People don't have to be racist to engage in racial bias behavior.

for example the Missouri case.
an off duty cop who has the credibility of knowing how to behave on a crime scene. was shot walking over to 5 officers at their request.

Tlyons question really isn't much different than asking.. hey would the cop had shot if he was white.

According to the Union attorney the shooting officer didt know the man was a cop and feared for his safety.

that's a lot of information to omit from a police report and as we see with the indictments of the non shooting officers in the Murdoch case. this is a no-no

why was that officer in fear for his safety? is it because the man was carrying a badge in his hand and the officer thought it was something else?

was it because the shooting officer saw the gun? did he tell the man to stop? Wouldn't the5 officers closer to the man being able to assess if he was a threat? or did he shoot because the unaccounted suspect was black and the man approaching the group of officers was also black?

we don't know. the shooting officer decided these type of details wasnt worthy for his report.

either way being black or even carrying a weapon doesn't justify an officer of the law to shot someone out of fear of safety there has to be other factors involved.

If there is no accountability for these actions because the victims are a minority then Distrust and resentment continues and these type of actions continue to not only put minorities at risk but everyone at a much larger scale.

 

[David.]

The media is keeping the Anglo Appalachian down.

Ultimately it doesn't matter.

ultimately it doesn't matter.. if complaints of racially motivated crimes spur accountability and a more judicious police force. then its good for everyone.

People don't have to be racist to engage in racial bias behavior.

for example the Missouri case.
an off duty cop who has the credibility of knowing how to behave on a crime scene. was shot walking over to 5 officers at their request.

Tlyons question really isn't much different than asking.. hey would the cop had shot if he was white.

According to the Union attorney the shooting officer didt know the man was a cop and feared for his safety.

that's a lot of information to omit from a police report and as we see with the indictments of the non shooting officers in the Murdoch case. this is a no-no

why was that officer in fear for his safety? is it because the man was carrying a badge in his hand and the officer thought it was something else?

was it because the shooting officer saw the gun? did he tell the man to stop? Wouldn't the5 officers closer to the man being able to assess if he was a threat? or did he shoot because the unaccounted suspect was black and the man approaching the group of officers was also black?

we don't know. the shooting officer decided these type of details wasnt worthy for his report.

either way being black or even carrying a weapon doesn't justify an officer of the law to shot someone out of fear of safety there has to be other factors involved.

If there is no accountability for these actions because the victims are a minority then Distrust and resentment continues and these type of actions continue to not only put minorities at risk but everyone at a much larger scale.

No one wants to talk to you at this point.

 

[Tornicade]

No one wants to talk to you at this point.

This is typically my standard operating presumption being an Anglo Appalachian.

When I initially posted the article it was dismissed as Non racial and not the shooters fault because of radio communications.

I am still waiting for the records of the radio communications to prove this claim but I cannot find a source for this information.

Also I cited source of real math showing shooting rates amongst blacks adjusted for their higher crime rates.

those adjusted rates still show a huge discrepancy in the rate of the shooting of unarmed citizens racial background. so the theory of Blacks only get shot more because they commit more crimes has been debunked.

I also asked someone, who made the argument that they didn't "understand" cause they hadn't walked in a cops shoes, if they had been a cop. as of today still no answer.

 

[David.]

This is typically my standard operating presumption being an Anglo Appalachian.

When I initially posted the article it was dismissed as Non racial and not the shooters fault because of radio communications.

I am still waiting for the records of the radio communications to prove this claim but I cannot find a source for this information.

Also I cited source of real math showing shooting rates amongst blacks adjusted for their higher crime rates.

those adjusted rates still show a huge discrepancy in the rate of the shooting of unarmed citizens racial background. so the theory of Blacks only get shot more because they commit more crimes has been debunked.

I also asked someone, who made the argument that they didn't "understand" cause they hadn't walked in a cops shoes, if they had been a cop. as of today still no answer.

I don't think you actually know what "debunked" means at this point.

 

[Tornicade]

I don't think you actually know what "debunked" means at this point.

David the report clearly showed that even after accounting for higher crime rates of blacks the shootings are still higher at the adjusted rate.

its nt difficult. any accounting major can do it.

you just set the rates to a common denominator and compare.

in the article I quoted the comparison showed a discrepancy the ratio was still higher !

edit they also adjusted for white and blacks of the same economic background and living in the same population density.

 

[David.]

David the report clearly showed that even after accounting for higher crime rates of blacks the shootings are still higher at the adjusted rate.

its nt difficult. any accounting major can do it.

you just set the rates to a common denominator and compare.

in the article I quoted the comparison showed a discrepancy the ratio was still higher !

Yes, I have done this for you. You are wrong. As you are, practically always.

So I don't really care if you're being genuinely stupid or a troll at the moment, I'll just ignore you like everyone else, which is what I was doing before I tried to elucidate the hint that you haven't been able to pick up on.

 

[Tornicade]

Yes, I have done this for you. You are wrong.

So I don't really care if you're being genuinely stupid or a troll at the moment, I'll just ignore you like everypne else has.

no. I didn't do the math. The source is very respectable . did you read the report?

Edit. ill repost

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...381214de1a3_story.html?utm_term=.8d57aad8d0a8

if you dont have access to the Washington post just say so

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/fatal-shootings-by-u-s-police-officers-in-2015-a-birds-eye-view/

The chart above shows Police shootings aren't impacted by violent crime rates.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ice_in_2015_Further_Evidence_of_Implicit_Bias

NOw you may find some article that attempt to debunk this research
but its more of a snapshot to raise questions than make declaration

Comey stated the crime statistics collected by the FBI are lacking in regards to citizen shooting data.

One reason for our absence of knowledge is the lack of national data available thatwould allow researchers to address adequately such questions. Ironically, it was only after theAugust 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO, that Federal Bureau of Investigation(FBI) Director James Comey became aware that his agency does not collect reliable datapertaining to civilians killed by the police (Comey, 2015). Although the FBI through itsUniform Crime Reports (UCR) Program keeps a record of justifiable homicides (i.e., thekilling of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty), reporting is voluntary andnot all agencies participate. According to The Guardian, only 224 agencies (or approximately1% of all agencies) reported a killing to the FBI in 2014
A Bird's Eye View of Civilians Killed by Police in 2015: Further Evidence of Implicit Bias (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...ice_in_2015_Further_Evidence_of_Implicit_Bias [accessed Jun 28, 2017].

 

[Wrathe]

for example the Missouri case.
an off duty cop who has the credibility of knowing how to behave on a crime scene. was shot walking over to 5 officers at their request.

Did this really happen? First time hearing about it.

 

[DJTJ]

Did this really happen? First time hearing about it.

Please don't enter the worm hole...

He was shot walking over to two officers. Torn's argued that a third cop, showing up to a deescalated situation, shot an off duty cop he didn't recognize because he immediately profiled him and then proceeded to ignore logical rationale.

 

[David.]

Please don't enter the worm hole...

He was shot walking over to two officers. Torn's argued that a third cop, showing up to a deescalated situation, shot an off duty cop he didn't recognize because he immediately profiled him and then proceeded to ignore logical rationale.

I think he's kidding, because torn has sometimes introduced the scenario in consecutive posts. And sometimes twice within the same post. He's told us about it roughly ten times.

Here he is a week later introducing it again.

For the record, that graph is fucking stupid and doesn't at all show black people are shot more when controlling for violent crime. Of course, it's not worth the effort to ingeminate a really simple point, again, only for someone to try to shift and move goal posts and refuse to actually engage with the conversation.

There are so many things wrong with that graph and the claim that it literally isn't worth getting into it. But if it makes you feel better, you've done it. You've finally proved racism by showing an uneven distribution in police force killings and the crime in the city, and the killings range from fucking 3 to 8. Now please Stfu.

 

[Tornicade]

I think he's kidding, because torn has sometimes introduced the scenario in consecutive posts. And sometimes twice within the same post. He's told us about it roughly ten times.

Here he is a week later introducing it again.

For the record, that graph is fucking stupid and doesn't at all show black people are shot more when controlling for violent crime. Of course, it's not worth the effort to ingeminate a really simple point, again, only for someone to try to shift and move goal posts and refuse to actually engage with the conversation.

There are so many things wrong with that graph and the claim that it literally isn't worth getting into it. But if it makes you feel better, you've done it. You've finally proved racism by showing an uneven distribution in police force killings and the crime in the city, and the killings range from fucking 3 to 8. Now please Stfu.

speaking of bullying

This off duty cop practiced his suspect detention skills on a local 15 year old boy

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/us/lansing-police-jordan-brunson-teen.html

In other news, now officers them selves are scared to get pulled over by the cops

https://www.policeone.com/off-duty/...-duty-Chicago-cop-flees-police-dies-in-crash/

CHICAGO — An off-duty officer and a woman were killed in a fiery crash after the officer fled from police who attempted to pull him over.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Please don't enter the worm hole...

He was shot walking over to two officers. Torn's argued that a third cop, showing up to a deescalated situation, shot an off duty cop he didn't recognize because he immediately profiled him and then proceeded to ignore logical rationale.

Very interesting thing happening in this thread that I think is a microcosm of what may be happening in society at large.

I mentioned earlier the importance of distinguishing false accusations of racism from real ones. We can see here that when that does not happen, people start tuning out complaints. So what you have is some people getting angrier and angrier, in part based on incidents that are not really racism, and other people simply tuning the whole thing out because they're sick of hearing allegations of racism applied to every incident.

And that's a very fine recipe for polarization.

 

[Tlyons]

Do we have any statistics on false accusations of racism?